I would imagine the police underestimated this guy because of the way he talks.
Agreed, if auditors are not willing to follow up with legal action then the encounter seems to be nothing more than indulging personal ego.
>> Like many, I demand that cops submit to the authority of The Rule of Law.
>> Beve Smith There is a chance he believed what he is saying. He is probably repeating something he heard or was told and did no further research.
How could/should have I handeled my most recent contact with a cop?
4 to 5 years ago I fell while riding my bicycle back from a MacDonalds. I clipped a curb and fell. A Warren, Michigan cop saw this and pulled up. In fairness, he first asked me if I was ok. I said “yes” not knowing until later that I had actually fractured a rib. It should have ended then but it did not. I was “asked” to get into his patrol car. I did so. Then I was asked to show my Michigan photo ID. I did so. The cop detained me for over half an hour before he finally let me go. I walked my bike back to my house as the pain had grown.
I did not seek treatment for my fractured rib and very glad that the cop did not call for an ambulance which I could not afford for such a minor injury. I had no objection to identifying myself and showing my photo ID. Yet this boy cop in his 20s lorded it over me at my age then of 61 or 62 in spite of my total compliance.
If I had remained silent that cop may have arrested me for suspicious behavior of remaining silent. Years later I saw a video of Philando Castile being shot for obeying a cop’s order to produce his driver’s license.
I used to think the percentage of bad cops were under 5. Now I believe it to be over 50. Petty bureaucrats with badges and guns are not petty. I cooperated fully. I have never owned more than a pellet gun when I was a kid. I did have to shoot a 45 during my 3-year voluntary stint in the Navy.
I don’t want to die for some frivolous cause. And the next time I come in contact with the police holding my hands straight up will not guarantee that some boy with a hero complex won’t shoot me just because he can. That cop never asked me to raise my hands up but if he had I wonder if the pain would have prevented me from hold up my left arm.
So what do I do next time? I live in a safe part of town. I fear the cops more than the criminals so far.
What can I do to prevent my life from being taken by some boy with a badge while not giving in to the intimidation?
Hey, does anyone remember the obligation for the general public to adhere to military regulations?
Yeah, me either.
I was in Hanoi, Vietnam, taking pictures of an army base, police station, Ho Chi Minh’s tomb, museums, etc. And had no problems at all until I went by the US embassy, when someone immediately came out and said I couldn’t photograph any part of the building. So much for Democratic rights trumping Communism
Detective Mitchell did a good job shutting up when he realized his partners didn’t know what the hell they were talking about. Good job protecting your goonies, pal.
A military regulation is enforceable on a Civilian? Since when?
slacker2310 they’re taught wrong. Unless you’re on their property
slacker2310 we can film anything we can see. You can’t trespass the eyes. If they don’t want it filmed. Build a wall around it. You do realize I can get a pic of any installation and entry points on the internet.
One of the things that frustrate me about auditors is that they never seem to articulate the change that needs to occur. They simply highlight what was wrong that happened and say things like “you just need to not do that” that’s not how it works. We need change. A prerequisite for change is a specifically defined policy or training program.
For example, these officers need to be specifically trained on the differences between regulation and statute, and need to be made aware that they cannot use things like “Congressional letters” to enforce a law that isn’t written in a piece of legislation.
If these officers knew that, they may not have detained this individual.