Unreliable Narrators

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Reading the comments (click though link) accompanying these videos provides is therapy for those who have been subjected to gaslighting.

1) Officer Confirmed no Crime was Committed ..

but Police knocked Black Man’s phone to ground, and allegedly Battered and Detained him for “Making People Uncomfortable,”  Remaining on Public Sidewalk and not Identifying

No Crime, but insist on ID after Unlawful Order to “Move on”

Officer tells black man he has committed no crime other than “making people feel uncomfortable”, but is police is alleged to have hurt man’s shoulder, handcuffed him, locking him in the back of a police vehicle, and illegally searching him because the man wouldn’t surrender his 4th amendment rights (unreasonable search/seizure of houses, papers, and effects) or comply with an unlawful order to “move on” from public sidewalk he had a right to be on.

Ignorance & Unaccountability

Officers seem not to understand than in order for a order to be lawful, the officer must be ordering the man to have a lawful goal, not that any order from an officer is automatically lawful simply because it was made by a police officer. Officer admits to throwing (?) man’s camera to the ground.  Officer seems to have the common misperception that that people can be charged with “failure to identify” (a secondary charge) even if they aren’t suspected of a crime.  1  When the man attempts to get the officer to accept responsibility for his actions asking him if he is willing to waive his qualified immunity, the officers seems impatient with a conversation about accountability and says “Young man, I’m not going to play this game.”  The Officer also refuses to call a sergeant who may be more knowledgeable of the law.

Bank Investigation.  Police Ignorance of Trespass Law

Officer took all this action before talking to bank caller to get the complainant’s side.  The bank teller knew trespass law better than officer, but the officer seemed to be angling to fraudulently use trespass law to coerce the man into giving his ID, a common misunderstanding of trespass law among law enforcement.2  For some reason, the bank called police anyway even though they seemed to know that there was no crime.  The officer does not tell the bank not to call 911 if there is not suspicion of a crime.  The officer solicits a trespass from the bank even though this is unlawful (?), and even though the bank teller told him the man did not leave the public sidewalk.  The officer will later falsely tell his supervisor that the bank may have reported (?) that the man was on the grass and used F-bombs to misrepresent the man’s verbal responses.  The man makes a point to remind the officers not to stop or mute body cameras, as he knows that this is a common way police avoid accountability.

No Crime: No Accountability

After their interview with the teller, the officers conclude there was no crime (which the originating officer told the man before he unlawfully ordered the man to move on).  When they release the man, they refuse to call a medic to attend the injured shoulder of the man they put in handcuffs and detained without grounds or a threat of violence from the man.   The initial officer copslains that “we’re not going to talk over each other” as a way of drowning out the man’s voice.  According to the police logic, the man was both “free to leave, ordered to “move on” and detained for suspicion of an unknown crime (they were likely also trying to unlawfully use their twisted understanding of trespass law as a loophole to get his ID (violate his 4th amendment rights).” 3

Police are Eager to Leave the Scene after “Suspect” asks “What did I do?”

All three officers now seem to be in a hurry to make a speedy departure.   Neither of these two other officers who joined the original officer made any effort to stop the rogue officer or apologize for their behavior.4

Community points out how unreliable the official narrative is ; read the comments to see the community point out aspects of the police encounter that were illegal or overlooked by the official narrative

 

2) After a ‘Karen’ call, Police appear to Gaslight and Slander Real Estate Photographer

Even though they knew he was innocent, because he refused to be bossed around during an unlawful detention.

Woman calls the police because a professional real estate photographer is photographing neighbor’s house (for sale).  There is a fire going on, but police decide to “investigate” the photographer.

 

3) Todo: write account

Officer’s reason for the stop is constantly shifting


  1. Failure to identify is a secondary charge that applies when you are (at minimum) reasonably suspected of a primary offense, or in Pennsylvania if you’ve been lawfully arrested and you refuse to provide your name and date of birth.

  2. Many police demand identification when a trespass is made, but this is not how trespass law works.  Initially, a property owner must ask an individual to leave.  The person then must then get the opportunity to leave without being detented.  If the person refuses, the police may arrest the violator and get their ID.  The person can also be charged if they unlawfully return and are identified by a witness as having previously been trespassed.  A common theme I see is that many police believe they are entitled to demand the ID of someone being trespassed because their computer has a space for ID, and they are encouraged to get ID by policy and their superiors.

    ID Conflict, Addiction & Warrant Lottery

    Police departments have created a conflict when their policies pressure police to get ID, but the 4th amendment may give the public the right to decline.  An additional element of their “ID Addiction” is that carding everyone and searching people’s ID through police databases is like “winning the lottery” — the more you play, the greater chance you find someone with a warrant, as easily as scratching off a ticket, though police are potentially violating their oath by violating the 4th amendment.

  3. Police body camera footage should be analyzed for the presence of these tricky police scripts.  I hypothesize that a few enterprising officers concocted techniques for police to avoid admitting fault.  A common line is “I don’t want to argue” which really means “I don’t want to admit I’m wrong’.  This video has a more insidious copsplaing variant — “We’re not going to talk over one other” — which appears like it is used to drown out the voice of a righteous complainant, least they expose police wrongdoing.

  4. All officers take an oath to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  This video appears to expose a time in which these two other officers had occasion to make good on their oath by defending the detainee’s rights, but failed.