‘An Invisible Cage’: How China Is Policing the Future

Three people with a criminal record check into the same hotel in southeast China. An automated system is designed to alert the police.

A man with a history of political protest buys a train ticket to Beijing. The system could flag the activity as suspicious and tell the police to investigate.

A woman with mental illness in Fujian leaves her home. A camera installed by her house records her movements so the police can track her.

Across China, the police are buying technology that harnesses vast surveillance data to predict crime and protest before they happen. The systems and software are targeting people whose behavior or characteristics are suspicious in the eyes of an algorithm and the Chinese authorities, even if they’ve done nothing wrong.

The more than 1.4 billion people living in China are constantly watched. They are recorded by police cameras that are everywhere, on street corners and subway ceilings, in hotel lobbies and apartment buildings. Their phones are tracked, their purchases are monitored, and their online chats are censored.

Now, even their future is under surveillance.

The latest generation of technology digs through the vast amounts of data collected on their daily activities to find patterns and aberrations, promising to predict crimes or protests before they happen. They target potential troublemakers in the eyes of the Chinese government — not only those with a criminal past but also vulnerable groups, including ethnic minorities, migrant workers and those with a history of mental illness.

They can warn the police if a victim of a fraud tries to travel to Beijing to petition the government for payment or a drug user makes too many calls to the same number. They can signal officers each time a person with a history of mental illness gets near a school.

It takes extensive evasive maneuvers to avoid the digital tripwires. In the past, Zhang Yuqiao, a 74-year-old man who has been petitioning the government for most of his adult life, could simply stay off the main highways to dodge the authorities and make his way to Beijing to fight for compensation over the torture of his parents during the Cultural Revolution. Now, he turns off his phones, pays in cash and buys multiple train tickets to false destinations.

While largely unproven, the new Chinese technologies, detailed in procurement and other documents reviewed by The New York Times, further extend the boundaries of social and political controls and integrate them ever deeper into people’s lives. At their most basic, they justify suffocating surveillance and violate privacy, while in the extreme they risk automating systemic discrimination and political repression.

Surveillance cameras set up in April at a residential compound in Mudanjiang, Heilongjiang Province.
Credit…China Daily/Via Reuters

For the government, social stability is paramount and any threat to it must be eliminated. During his decade as China’s top leader, Xi Jinping has hardened and centralized the security state, unleashing techno-authoritarian policies to quell ethnic unrest in the western region of Xinjiang and enforce some of the world’s most severe coronavirus lockdowns. The space for dissent, always limited, is rapidly disappearing.

“Big data should be used as an engine to power the innovative development of public security work and a new growth point for nurturing combat capabilities,” Mr. Xi said in 2019 at a national public security work meeting.

The algorithms, which would prove controversial in other countries, are often trumpeted as triumphs.

In 2020, the authorities in southern China denied a woman’s request to move to Hong Kong to be with her husband after software alerted them that the marriage was suspicious, the local police reported. An ensuing investigation revealed that the two were not often in the same place at the same time and had not spent the Spring Festival holiday together. The police concluded that the marriage had been faked to obtain a migration permit.

The same year in northern China, an automated alert about a man’s frequent entry into a residential compound with different companions prompted the police to investigate. They discovered that he was a part of a pyramid scheme, according to state media.

The details of these emerging security technologies are described in police research papers, surveillance contractor patents and presentations, as well as hundreds of public procurement documents reviewed and confirmed by The Times. Many of the procurement documents were shared by ChinaFile, an online magazine published by the Asia Society, which has systematically gathered years of records on government websites. Another set, describing software bought by the authorities in the port city of Tianjin to stop petitioners from going to neighboring Beijingwas provided by IPVM, a surveillance industry publication.

China’s Ministry of Public Security did not respond to requests for comment faxed to its headquarters in Beijing and six local departments across the country.

The new approach to surveillance is partly based on data-driven policing software from the United States and Europe, technology that rights groups say has encoded racism into decisions like which neighborhoods are most heavily policed and which prisoners get parole. China takes it to the extreme, tapping nationwide reservoirs of data that allow the police to operate with opacity and impunity.

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14:27China’s Surveillance State Is Growing. These Documents Reveal How.
A New York Times analysis of over 100,000 government bidding documents found that China’s ambition to collect digital and biological data from its citizens is more expansive and invasive than previously known.

Often people don’t know they’re being watched. The police face little outside scrutiny of the effectiveness of the technology or the actions they prompt. The Chinese authorities require no warrants to collect personal information.

At the most bleeding edge, the systems raise perennial science-fiction conundrums: How is it possible to know the future has been accurately predicted if the police intervene before it happens?

Even when the software fails to deduce human behavior, it can be considered successful since the surveillance itself inhibits unrest and crime, experts say.

This is an invisible cage of technology imposed on society,” said Maya Wang, a senior China researcher with Human Rights Watch, “the disproportionate brunt of it being felt by groups of people that are already severely discriminated against in Chinese society.”

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Products from Megvii, an artificial intelligence start-up, on display at a tech industry exhibition center in Beijing.
Credit…Florence Lo/Reuters

‘Nowhere to Hide’

In 2017, one of China’s best-known entrepreneurs had a bold vision for the future: a computer system that could predict crimes.

The entrepreneur, Yin Qi, who founded Megvii, an artificial intelligence start-up, told Chinese state media that the surveillance system could give the police a search engine for crime, analyzing huge amounts of video footage to intuit patterns and warn the authorities about suspicious behavior. He explained that if cameras detected a person spending too much time at a train station, the system could flag a possible pickpocket.

“It would be scary if there were actually people watching behind the camera, but behind it is a system,” Mr. Yin said. “It’s like the search engine we use every day to surf the internet — it’s very neutral. It’s supposed to be a benevolent thing.”

He added that with such surveillance, “the bad guys have nowhere to hide.”

Five years later, his vision is slowly becoming reality. Internal Megvii presentations reviewed by The Times show how the start-up’s products assemble full digital dossiers for the police.

Build a multidimensional database that stores faces, photos, cars, cases and incident records,” reads a description of one product, called “intelligent search.” The software analyzes the data to “dig out ordinary people who seem innocent” to “stifle illegal acts in the cradle.”

A Megvii spokesman said in an emailed statement that the company was committed to the responsible development of artificial intelligence, and that it was concerned about making life more safe and convenient and “not about monitoring any particular group or individual.”

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An internal presentation slide for Megvii’s “intelligent search” product. Bar charts sort groups of monitored people by category.

Similar technologies are already being put into use. In 2022, the police in Tianjin bought software made by a Megvii competitor, Hikvision, that aims to predict protests. The system collects data on legions of Chinese petitioners, a general term in China that describes people who try to file complaints about local officials with higher authorities.

It then scores petitioners on the likelihood that they will travel to Beijing. In the future, the data will be used to train machine-learning models, according to a procurement document.

Local officials want to prevent such trips to avoid political embarrassment or exposure of wrongdoing. And the central government doesn’t want groups of disgruntled citizens gathering in the capital.

A Hikvision representative declined to comment on the system.

Under Mr. Xi, official efforts to control petitioners have grown increasingly invasive. Zekun Wang, a 32-year-old member of a group that for years sought redress over a real estate fraud, said the authorities in 2017 had intercepted fellow petitioners in Shanghai before they could even buy tickets to Beijing. He suspected that the authorities were watching their communications on the social media app WeChat.

The Hikvision system in Tianjin, which is run in cooperation with the police in nearby Beijing and Hebei Province, is more sophisticated.

The platform analyzes individuals’ likelihood to petition based on their social and family relationships, past trips and personal situations, according to the procurement document. It helps the police create a profile of each, with fields for officers to describe the temperament of the protester, including “paranoid,” “meticulous” and “short tempered.”

Many people who petition do so over government mishandling of a tragic accident or neglect in the case — all of which goes into the algorithm. “Increase a person’s early-warning risk level if they have low social status or went through a major tragedy,” reads the procurement document.

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A police patrol in Xichang, Sichuan Province. Software allows Chinese authorities to target individuals according to preconceived ideas about their traits.
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A police patrol in Xichang, Sichuan Province. Software allows Chinese authorities to target individuals according to preconceived ideas about their traits.

When the police in Zhouning, a rural county in Fujian Province, bought a new set of 439 cameras in 2018, they listed coordinates where each would go. Some hung above intersections and others near schools, according to a procurement document.

Nine were installed outside the homes of people with something in common: mental illness.

While some software tries to use data to uncover new threats, a more common type is based on the preconceived notions of the police. In over a hundred procurement documents reviewed by The Times, the surveillance targeted blacklists of “key persons.”

These people, according to some of the procurement documents, included those with mental illness, convicted criminals, fugitives, drug users, petitioners, suspected terrorists, political agitators and threats to social stability. Other systems targeted migrant workers, idle youths (teenagers without school or a job), ethnic minorities, foreigners and those infected with H.I.V.

The authorities decide who goes on the lists, and there is often no process to notify people when they do. Once individuals are in a database, they are rarely removed, said experts, who worried that the new technologies reinforce disparities within China, imposing surveillance on the least fortunate parts of its population.

In many cases the software goes further than simply targeting a population, allowing the authorities to set up digital tripwires that indicate a possible threat. In one Megvii presentation detailing a rival product by Yitu, the system’s interface allowed the police to devise their own early warnings.

With a simple fill-in-the-blank menu, the police can base alarms on specific parameters, including where a blacklisted person appears, when the person moves around, whether he or she meets with other blacklisted people and the frequency of certain activities. The police could set the system to send a warning each time two people with a history of drug use check into the same hotel or when four people with a history of protest enter the same park.

Yitu did not respond to emailed requests for comment.

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An interface from a Yitu product that lets the police set parameters to receive alerts on suspicious behavior.CreditCredit…The New York Times

In 2020 in the city of Nanning, the police bought software that could look for “more than three key people checking into the same or nearby hotels” and “a drug user calling a new out-of-town number frequently,” according to a bidding document. In Yangshuo, a tourist town famous for its otherworldly karst mountains, the authorities bought a system to alert them if a foreigner without a work permit spent too much time hanging around foreign-language schools or bars, an apparent effort to catch people overstaying their visas or working illegally.

In Shanghai, one party-run publication described how the authorities used software to identify those who exceeded normal water and electricity use. The system would send a “digital whistle” to the police when it found suspicious consumption patterns.

The tactic was likely designed to detect migrant workers, who often live together in close quarters to save money. In some places, the police consider them an elusive, and often impoverished, group who can bring crime into communities.

The automated alerts don’t result in the same level of police response. Often, the police give priority to warnings that point to political problems, like protests or other threats to social stability, said Suzanne E. Scoggins, a professor at Clark University who studies China’s policing.

At times, the police have stated outright the need to profile people. “Through the application of big data, we paint a picture of people and give them labels with different attributes,” Li Wei, a researcher at China’s national police university, said in a 2016 speech. “For those who receive one or more types of labels, we infer their identities and behavior, and then carry out targeted pre-emptive security measures.”

Mr. Zhang first started petitioning the government for compensation over the torture of his family during the Cultural Revolution. He has since petitioned over what he says is police targeting of his family.

As China has built out its techno-authoritarian tools, he has had to use spy movie tactics to circumvent surveillance that, he said, has become “high tech and Nazified.”

Surveillance cameras within 100 meters of Zhang Yuqiao’s home. There are no cameras in other places in his village, he said.Credit…Zhang Yuqiao

When he traveled to Beijing in January from his village in Shandong Province, he turned off his phone and paid for transportation in cash to minimize his digital footprint. He bought train tickets to the wrong destination to foil police tracking. He hired private drivers to get around checkpoints where his identification card would set off an alarm.

The system in Tianjin has a special feature for people like him who have “a certain awareness of anti-reconnaissance” and regularly change vehicles to evade detection, according to the police procurement document.

Whether or not he triggered the system, Mr. Zhang has noticed a change. Whenever he turns off his phone, he said, officers show up at his house to check that he hasn’t left on a new trip to Beijing.

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The authorities “do whatever it takes to silence the people who raise the problems,” Mr. Zhang said.
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The authorities “do whatever it takes to silence the people who raise the problems,” Mr. Zhang said.

Even if police systems cannot accurately predict behavior, the authorities may consider them successful because of the threat, said Noam Yuchtman, an economics professor at the London School of Economics who has studied the impact of surveillance in China.

“In a context where there isn’t real political accountability,” having a surveillance system that frequently sends police officers “can work pretty well” at discouraging unrest, he said.

Once the metrics are set and the warnings are triggered, police officers have little flexibility, centralizing control. They are evaluated for their responsiveness to automated alarms and effectiveness at preventing protests, according to experts and public police reports.

The technology has encoded power imbalances. Some bidding documents refer to a “red list” of people whom the surveillance system must ignore.

One national procurement document said the function was for “people who need privacy protection or V.I.P. protection.” Another, from Guangdong Province, got more specific, stipulating that the red list was for government officials.

Mr. Zhang expressed frustration at the ways technology had cut off those in political power from regular people.

“The authorities do not seriously solve problems but do whatever it takes to silence the people who raise the problems,” he said. “This is a big step backward for society.”

Mr. Zhang said that he still believed in the power of technology to do good, but that in the wrong hands it could be a “scourge and a shackle.”

“In the past if you left your home and took to the countryside, all roads led to Beijing,” he said. “Now, the entire country is a net.”

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Surveillance cameras on a lamppost in Beijing.
Credit…Roman Pilipey/EPA, via Shutterstock

Official Police Report is “Unreliable Narrator” of Encounter

 

  • Just wait till the end to hear the officer’s official police report and compare with the video.

 

  • Unreliable Narrator: Police Auditors provide a useful exercise for understanding self-serving History.  We get to see the creation of official records and compare them with video.  It would be interesting to conduct a wider sample of police reports to see how pervasive this phenomena is.
  • The sad part is his desperation to get info; when he asked her to come with him to the front of the car he knew what he was trying to do. If you’re reading this sir, you are a very sad man. You do not represent integrity in any form or fashion.  (police entrapment)

 

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  • GST is becoming my favorite auditor. She is so calm and correct it makes it fun to watch the tyrants twist into a pretzel to justify their actions

 

  • This cop has a lot of opinions on what she was doing , yet no laws were broken, Why does he need to mention that her conduct made others not do their job? in his report?

 

  • The officer kept interrupting her when she tried to tell him that photography can’t be the sole reason for suspicious activity because it’s legal in public

 

  • The cop knew early on that he was wrong, that’s when the power trip kicked in and he tried on multiple occasions to bully her into submission, fail

 

  • The statement about the ‘FAA manager” and the “FAA command center in DC” is complete nonsense… I worked for the FAA as a radar air traffic controller for 30 years... IF the entire FAA management suddenly disappeared from the facility, we controller would never miss a single instruction call to any aircraft.. If the FAA command center in DC disappeared we would never notice… no ATC duties were even the tiniest bit “interfered” with..

 

  • This whole “See Something Say Something” mentality in this day and age! Granite State has provided proof that these tyrants lie through their teeth all the time. Turning legal activity into a crime is their mindset! Thanks SJVT for bringing this to your channel!

 

  • Everything he referred to about trespassing was nothing to do with your video taping…you were abiding by the law. This villain twisted and turned and tried jamming you up with his corrupt actions. He was a sneak and a dishonest cop with no integrity.

 

  • All he is accomplishing is proving his ignorance of the law. How embarrassing it must be to him when he started realizing she knew more about the law then he did and he is supposed to be law enforcement!
  • I’m sure she certainly appreciated being told something she already knew and had already taught you! Just saying. This video is little more than halfway over but I know he’s going to do some cop speak to explain why he was screwing up so bad And then give her some kind of order about staying off the property or don’t go into the street and Impede traffic or for safety reasons!
  • She did not force the cops to come out and investigate illegal activity. Talk about escalating something into more than what it actually should’ve been!
  • So she didn’t meet the requirements for trespass, per the officer.

 

  • He crawled back under his stone once you stood your ground. Excellent vid. This creep realised his error and tried to smooth it out with you. Great exposure of a villain who no doubt has committed similar acts of oath breaking. His ‘report’ about this ‘incident’ was pure paranoia and BS. They are strong against the weak, and weak against the strong. Stay strong. Stay safe.

 

  • He was most certainly trying to cover up how stupid she made him look! She was trying to keep from being followed by a Little boy that got his feelings hurt! Why would anybody in the world want to be followed home whether it’s a cop or not? Tell me if this sounds familiar? “In this day and age “ you never know what kind of person it is that’s trying to follow you whether they’re in uniform or not. If you’re a female you have to be suspicious of anyone that’s following you when they have absolutely no reason to do so.  You were stalking her and trying to get all her information because she hurt your feelings and you wanted to get eve

 

  • She is amazing! I love how she is so calm and reserve. Good follow up to her video.

 

  • A more or less realistic example of of your basic cop unable to process the fact that the photographer is exercising a right guaranteed by the same Constitution the cop swore to uphold…

 

  • “Trespass” the go to charge of the day. “Get back for my safety” the catch phrase. “Stop resisting stop resisting”. The battle cry.

 

  • Between Granite State Transparency in Massachusetts and Auditing America in Rhode Island.it seems the cops up there are most tyrant-like..it seems to be a whole different level in New England..scary.

 

  • You would be acting oddly if you were being stalked by an armed man.

 

  • I would love to see you guys get more organized. More like a large entity, like the police or organized crime. So it’s not one against a bunch of cops and the system. Be in groups, have lawyers on standby, have a fund that all of you pay into to help the ones that get arrested, have the laws in hand and high lighted for the purpose of education. I could go on. Get professional and actually make a difference. At this point they don’t fear you guys at all. I would love for you to respond back to me and tell me what you think. Thanks

 

  • Damn. This cop needs to be a writer. He can spin quite a story. He was doing his best to make you seem crazy .

 

  • What law is it so it’s a “federal law” I just told you. Lol. But why don’t you tell me exactly which federal law it is the one with numbers. He’s the one interrupting. A real lawyer would tear this officers report apart into shreds I love how he’s trying to make himself look good in the report like he’s doing everything quote on quote by the book. Oh poor baby his life is so hard. Well nobody told her to leave and she had yet to actually enter the property. She has to have actually been inside the fence in order for that to work. Yeah watching this having a lawsuit would be probably easy because this cop clearly as fishing for anything he can get his hands on to arrest her and so far he’s having trouble finding anything mostly because she knows what she’s talking about and he doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about. He did a double investigation. I’d be sueing the company for trying to illegally aquire my name

 

  • As a United States Marine that fought for the freedoms we enjoy and Vietnam corpsman father fought before me this is Despicable when you take a position as a cop to Serve and Protect not act like you’re a lawyer or Gestapo thank God there’s young people like these people in the world bringing to light the blue corruption about time way2go New Generation the world is in good hands keep up the great work Semper Fi oorah

 

  • Well thanks to this cop we all now know exactly what goes on behind the fence. This information is now common knowledge to the criminal/terrorist community and its all thanks to an ignorant security guard and an equally ignorant, officious, over zealous cop who, who had he educated himself in the law, would not have needed to respond to the call in the first place.

 

  • If police would simply avoid confronting people who aren’t breaking the law no “disturbance” would be created. In this scenario the police and the complainant are the public disturbance, not the auditor.

 

  • Cop: “I don’t want to set you up for failure”. Salem witch hunt here.

 

  • When an officer says they are trying to figure it out that means they don’t know the law and they are going to try to trump up something

 

  • When I seen the clip from CT3 I knew I had seen the video before, I didn’t realize it was that long ago. I was a creeped out then as seeing again today. That was completely incompetent, didn’t hold knowledge of basic laws that everybody should (ie the constitution, trespass, public easement, ID requirements) and a few others, but seeing that report is even scarier than what I saw in the video. He he will lie to that extent over someone taking pictures from a sidewalk, I can only imagine a case where there is actual crime. He will turn a trespasser into a murderer. I think that would constitute immediate separation from any position granting limited authority. I better never see him in Disney World with a camera, I’m calling the police… Lol

 

  • Yes, he stalked her at 18:01 by order of the government…
  • always waive your rights on request and everything will be ok
  • There is no Federal law that pertains to photographing Federal facilities from public property…total bs by the police who haven’t been properly trained in dealing with these types of situations.
  • Too many law enforcement officers don’t know the laws they are paid very well to uphold
  • If a cop will go to this extreme with someone doing absolutely nothing wrong imagine if you’ve committed a small infraction, if you’re on probation (how he could destroy your entire life and you’re actually working hard to rebuild), if your a young person and he’s the officer giving you your first charge! Cops like this are dangerous
  • If you can’t hold up a book you should not be a police officer.
  • Notice the power lines directly overhead indicating a public easement you have 20 minutes while detained to either arrest me and charge me or let me go!
  • “An officer cannot expand the scope of a stop to investigate other suspected illegal acitivity”, why don’t you read the rest of the law -> “…unless the…”?
  • I believe the first man who came up to the gate trying to get her ID was indeed a security guard, why else would he have walked away & said he’ll get the police if he was indeed “with the police force”???
  • it’s a felony for a security guard to make someone think that he’s a police officer by saying what does it look like when someone asks him if he’s a police officer.
  • The no trespassing sign is valid from the surface of the sign and fencing backwards, not forwards. In back of the sign it would be trespassing.
  • Rarely people end up being paid as part of their job to do what they most desire: playing baseball, travel, eating, watching movies. Cop work is unique in that a vast number of people end up being paid to indulge in their desire to mislead, intimidate, physically abuse, lie, and even kill or all of the above.
  • Gotta love his passive aggressive behavior. Acting like your friend to violate your rights
  • Once again, another officer who thinks that “suspicious activity” is enough to detain someone. They are trained that they need “RAS” (reasonable articulable suspicion) to detain, when it’s really reasonable articulable suspicion OF A CRIME. Maybe we need to start FOIA requesting police training materials so we can petition them to change RAS to RASOAC.
  • It is so embarrassing that this officer had no clue about the laws and what he was talking about. Officer Weiss was making up nonsense about “security issues” with FAA in his report. She did not cross the fence at any time during the course of her footage, therefore there was no “crimal trespass” or evidence of criminal activity solely by filming the outside of a government facility. She was not required to provide an ID if there is no evidence of criminal activity present. He is only trying to save face after being embarrassed of his lack of basic knowledge law and police procedure. He gets a “F” for his performance. This would be a complaint case against the officer of possible misconduct and falsification of official documents that would fall on my desk when I was in Internal Affairs.   – Sgt. D. Brown, (ret.) – Denver Sheriff’s Department
  • Fences are built to enclose property… if you’re going to lay claim to ground that is OUTSIDE that fence… then you need to move the fence. . Also… If it’s possible to conduct reconnaissance from outside the fence… then you need to build a wall.
  • Let’s face it, if someone was doing recon or casing the joint, you would not see the camera. Can’t people see a setup? Setup may be the wrong word to use, but I hope you get the general idea.
  • I have an idea…how bout cops start carrying lawn chairs in their trunks, that way the person they’ve detained for nothing can sit down while they search their law books looking for something that they can say you did wrong!
  • “Show ID if you didn’t do anything wrong”….. well why not make LEOs personnel files public if they are not doing anything wrong.
  • So many lies on an official report. Nothing this cops says or does should ever be believed. The only thing he should be allowed to ask people in the future is “Would you like fries with that?”
  • This video demonstrates why we shouldn’t talk to police and that we should record everything. They will write reports full of lies.
  • Police do not need to know law abiding citizens names or other personal information. It’s NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
  • The whole report was one lie on top of another. At end of report he states it was raining? Girls video shows overcast skies but I don’t see any rain.
  • so this is the comment I make when I watch all these videos. We can draw two conclusions. 1 over and over and over the police officers don’t know the law. Making them incompetent to hold the job. Or they do know the law and they’re doing it on purpose, making their actions a criminal act. Prosecutable by the federal, RICO statute. So which is it, incompetent or Criminal? Or both?
  • This officer proves they teach NOTHING in the academy about real law or how to search for real laws if they need to.
  • Did the security guard really just say that! “it’s a special law” . . .
  • If there are any law enforcement dispatch people out there please please do not send law enforcement officers to complaints like this they are unfounded and their fears are unrealistic. People with cameras are not criminals it’s time that this vicious cycle be done away with. Please just inform the caller that they are not to interfere or restrict in any way a Citizens First Amendment right to photograph in public thank you
  • have you ever seen such a pathetic example of back pedaling? this cop is a laughing stock.
  • She should have asked the cop if he had the permission of the property owner to park and or loiter on their property…….
  • Long is wrong. Never get in to debates with cops and other busybodies. “I’m taking pictures in public, have a nice day (or kick rocks).” And shut up and shut up some more. Once your legal status is (quickly) expressed, nothing more needs to be said. The longer you talk, the weaker your position becomes. Do not ever fill an awkward silence, let it be awkward for the cops, not you. When you’re in the right you don’t have to explain yourself. Keep recording everything. If you’re touched, you have a claim for battery. Also, bottom-line. Don’t even take up auditing w/o being prepared to be arrested. If you do everything right and are arrested, you have recourse. If you do it wrong, you have made things bad for yourself and the entire 1A auditing movement.
  • They can’t keep you no more then a few minutes anything over 25 mins is illegal
  • I’d would be one thing if they were just asking ur name but when they ID u they run u thru the system which even if it comes back clean ur name gets put into a database that shows when where and why u just had ur ID ran, no thank you
  • Aw come on security guards have to know by now about how much authority they have outside the boundary over which they have guardianship. and the police are proving that the courts are right . the police don’t have to have any intelligence.! Even I know that no trespassing means beyond the sign.on the land behind the fence and i haven’t been to police academy. He proves he can read badly but comprhension is obviously beyond his tiny brain. and criminal tresspass means she has to do something wrong any way. pleasre say police are being trained better than this bumbler who is also prone to conspracy theories.! And he then became a stalker my goodness he is so desperate for some excitement in his life. Please put your citizens out of suspense and allocate the shiny boots, the armbands with ss on them and their “papers” !

 

  • Walking down a public easement with a camera and no guns or weapons and stop by armed man .
  • This cop had no idea what to do because he didn’t know the law. He didn’t even know what an easement was…..POS..
  • She did NOT pull them away from their duty’s, the cop did.
  • I’m a cop but wait I’ll have the cops here in a minute.
  • He said enclosed by a fence! The grassed area is not fenced!
  • Seems he got upset he had to read something, seems to not enjoy reading.
  • She is on the EASEMENT !!!!! Full stop.

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Former cop became cop watcher after this fraught encounter with police

What would cause a former cop to cross the thin blue line and use his camera to monitor law enforcement and hold police accountable? For well-known police auditor James Madison, it was a fraught encounter with a police officer who threatened to falsely arrest him on his own property for filming him. In this week’s PAR, we speak to Madison about his conversion from cop to cop watcher, and about the deep issues that plague law enforcement.