. @roddreher tells me why he’s a fan of Viktor Orbán—as a model for American conservatives. WATCH the whole thing here https://t.co/G7AOj1xiYn pic.twitter.com/YDuyR33t9p
— Matt Lewis (@mattklewis) September 23, 2021
Bob Sampson@bobsalpha1Complete embrace of authoritarianism framed under “but he fights,” no real interest in conservatism or democracy, just a desire to be the only ones who ever have power.
andTranslation: As I see it, the only choices are between an illiberal left & an illiberal right. Therefore, I choose to give up liberal democracy entirely and support an illiberal right. Further translation: If I can’t get what I want politically, let’s discard democracy entirely.
Heino GulliksenThis is absolutely insane. Orban is a blatant fascist, shutting down free press and stomping on basic freedoms. But sure, he fights against woke-ism and leftists. Why don’t these people just say out loud that they long for democracy to end, so they can be ruled by a new Il Duce?
Rod’s whole argument can be broken down to this: “Norms of acceptable behavior are changing, (as they always have and always will) and because my beliefs are now considered fringe and unnaceptable in many quarters, though I face no official government sanction and am enjoying all the protections of liberal democracy, I would use the government illiberally to punish those who no longer consider me a mainstream.” At no point does Rod even glance at a place where the government has infringed on his rights to practice his faith or speak his mind, but he is “terrified” that private institutions (businesses, colleges, the media, elites, etc) are not doing exactly what he wants regarding a whole slew of hard to define attitudes and policies. Because of this, he would dispense with liberal democracy! What a ridiculous overreaction!
but you are in a sense giving up and i21:25don’t want to give up on this experiment21:27i in fact that really goes against21:30everything that i kind of believe in21:32like as a conservative all right well21:33let me ask you this um21:35do you have any sons or daughters who21:37have a teenage year in their teenage21:39years i have a 10 year old boy and an21:42eight-year-old boy the reason i ask is21:44this my i have a 17 year old son who’s21:46going to be 18 and he was thinking for a21:48long time about the military21:50about going into the military and i sat21:52down on how to talk with him i never21:54imagined as a conservative that i would21:56have this kind of talk with my son but i21:58uh i i said listen whatever you’re22:00called to do if you if you’re really22:01feeling this calling uh your dad will22:03support you on it but here’s what i want22:05you to think about and i told him about22:08how we were lied to by our government22:11and to get into this iraq war and the22:13generals lied and lied and lied about22:15afghanistan said i don’t want you to22:18give your life in the best years of your22:20life to following leaders that you22:23cannot trust so secondly look what’s22:26happening look look at how our22:27government is changing uh we’re22:30on the lgbt thing now it’s become a huge22:32part of foreign policy uh they’ve openly22:35stated that and22:37are you as an orthodox christian eastern22:39orthodox christian you’re going to get22:40into the military and are you going to22:42have to choose between serving your22:43country you’re serving your conscience22:45are you going to be put in a position22:47where you’re going to have to lie in22:50order to protect your your position in22:52the military do you want to fight for22:53this sort of order an order that is22:55going into other countries like hungary22:58like poland and elsewhere around the22:59world and trying to force them to accept23:03post-christian western standards of23:06morality i don’t think so and he23:08eventually decided he wasn’t going to do23:10it i think it had more to do with what23:11his friends are doing but the point is23:13simply this matt i i used to think i’ve23:15always thought america was a good guy