Hugh Hendry, founder and former CIO of Eclectica Asset Management, welcomes Lyn Alden of Lyn Alden Investment Strategy for a wide-ranging discussion on international trade and the Eurodollar system. Hendry mounts a nuanced defense of the dollar’s role as the global reserve asset, whereas Alden sees a slow but steady de-dollarization happening around the world, which she expects will continue. Hendry and Alden discuss whether China’s role in international trade is “mercantilist,” and whether its stagnant reserves of U.S. Treasurys is a true macroeconomic bellwether. Lastly, Hendry and Alden look forward to identify potential solutions to these problems, such as digital currencies (Alden’s solution) and ultra-negative rates (Hendry’s solution). Filmed on December 1, 2020. Hugh Hendry’s YouTube channel can be accessed here: https://www.youtube.com/c/HughHendryO….
Key learnings: Alden and Hendry agree that structural forces have prevented the dollar from weakening to the levels implied by its persistent trade deficit. But while Alden thinks the Eurodollar system will expand beyond the control of the U.S., Hendry argues that American commercial banks will continue to control the supply of dollars in reality, and that the U.S. will remain the global monetary hegemon. Hendry has also provided a transcript he has personally edited to clarify some of his points in this interview: https://rvtv.io/3gysJZT
Alex Saunders of Nuggets News shares his thoughts on what to expect from central banks on the road ahead from dropping rates, implementing quantitative easing and the applying modern monetary theory. Explaining why this is important to understand when investing in hedge assets like Gold and Bitcoin.
Alex Saunders is one of Australia’s leading blockchain educators and founder of Nuggets News.
Filmed at the Gold and Alternative Investments Conference 2019, Saturday, October 26, 2019.
Transcript00:00how we’re going guys that’s working so00:01hands up who owns gold and hands up who00:06owns Bitcoin it’s bit more even than I00:09thought so yeah I’m definitely a big fan00:11of both and today I’m going to try and00:13give you a rundown of bitcoins history00:15and how it’s been affected by monetary00:17policy where I think that is going as we00:20head into the future and Bitcoin is very00:23hard to understand so I’m going to tie00:25together all these concepts as best I00:27can for you in under half an hour and00:29just a bit of an intro I run Nuggets00:32news I’ve been in cryptocurrency since00:342012 I was actually a pharmacist by00:37trade and I’ll talk about how my story00:40came about so these days where00:43Australia’s leading provider of free and00:45premium education with a focus on00:48Bitcoin other cryptocurrencies as well00:50as the importance of gold and protecting00:53your wealth a bit of well-rounded00:55financial education so Bitcoin often01:00gets called you know digital gold01:01internet money and I think these terms01:03maybe oversimplify it and don’t do it01:06justice so I’m going to talk about all01:07the different things that it is bringing01:09together and why it is so important so01:12another focus of my talk today is you01:13know what have we learned from the GFC01:15it’s ten years on now and Bitcoin01:18actually came about from the GFC my01:23journey begins around that time when I’d01:25been studying pharmacy but investing it01:27always been my passion and when the GFC01:30unfolded like a lot of you I’m sure you01:32want to know what happened and there’s01:33some fantastic documentaries out there01:35and you learn about how you know the01:37banks effectively caused all this01:39trouble and then got bailed out and01:41satoshi the creator of Bitcoin embedded01:44this message about the the bailouts for01:47the banks in the Genesis block of01:49Bitcoin so it’s very much one of the01:51messages that he was trying to portray01:53about bitcoins mission going forward so01:56since the the GFC I guess the message01:59from central banks and their02:01relationship with government has always02:02been around you know trust us02:04we’ve got these levers of printing money02:06and interest rates and we can steer the02:08economy and they really ramped up their02:11production of of money as most02:13in this room probably know to encourage02:15banks to lend out and get the economy02:17going that I’m gonna talk about how that02:19hasn’t really unfolded and what we saw02:21around this time was people becoming02:25aware of these issues and push back02:27against what was happening so Occupy02:29Wall Street was pretty prominent at the02:31time he kind of died down a little bit02:33but this was when Bitcoin was starting02:35to get a little bit of traction now like02:38a lot of people when you learn about02:39what he’s going on in the monetary02:40system you know I’m preaching to the02:42converted here at a gold conference and02:44I know personally I wanted to go out and02:45buy some some gold and silver and one of02:48the first bars I bought it wasn’t a02:50common I commonly made bar and I was02:52sort of thinking you know how I know02:53that this is legit so I guess that’s02:54probably one of the the aspects of02:57Bitcoin and auditing and even gold that02:59I believe blockchain can help Gold’s03:01case as well but I’m very much an03:02advocate of gold and silver and I still03:05own those today another thing that a lot03:08of gold bugs will tell you is the price03:10manipulation so depending on what degree03:12you believe in that I certainly I can03:14understand the case for you know these03:16futures markets and ETFs and03:18rehypothecation and what what is the03:20real gold underlying that and it’s03:23something that I hope doesn’t creep into03:24the Bitcoin world too much because we03:27don’t want that money that once exposure03:29to that asset being pushed into these03:31things that aren’t backed by real03:32Bitcoin or by real gold so you see a lot03:37of these different slides around03:39bitcoins properties and you know it’s03:42it’s all looking pretty good according03:43to that but I’m certainly not here to03:45tell you that Bitcoin is a replacement03:46for gold at all there’s some things that03:48it does are better and some things that03:50it doesn’t do better that track record03:52and the history of gold obviously is03:53very hard to compete with but it’s all03:55the properties of Bitcoin that give it’s03:58you know good credence to be a good04:00money the future money the next04:02evolution of money so for the first time04:06ever we had a way so I guess stick it to04:09central banks and governments and say04:10well you know if you’re going to try and04:12manipulate gold and ETFs and I know most04:15people instrument robably fans of04:16holding the real thing for the first04:17time ever we’ve got a way to hold your04:21assets outside the system and become04:22your own bank and this was a famous04:24photo that you probably saw with someone04:26to buy Bitcoin behind janet yellen air04:29so what is Bitcoin what are the04:32properties that make it a good money04:34well the first things you learn is about04:36this finite supplier and how the04:38inflation rate halves every four years04:40so you can see there on the curve we’re04:43at a very important point well in May04:45next year we step down from 4% inflation04:47to 2% and then again four years later04:50down to 1% and at that time Bitcoin04:53becomes more scarce than that inflation04:55that all central banks are targeting of04:57two and three percent the new production04:59of gold is about one or two percent so05:01Bitcoin will become you know more scarce05:03in terms of the new coins created and05:05that’s very attractive in a world where05:07money printing is running right another05:10thing that you’ll love about Bitcoin05:12once you learn about is this05:13decentralized nature so what does that05:15mean well anyone can download the05:17Bitcoin blockchain running on their05:19computer help support the network you05:21can download a wallet and you become05:23part of the network you can send Bitcoin05:25to anyone else there’s no one company05:27that can be targeted or shut down05:29there’s there’s nodes computers all over05:31the world that run this network and it’s05:33literally impossible to stop unless you05:35plan on showing down the entire Internet05:38so around 2013 we saw the Cypress05:42bailing so heads up who knows the story05:44there so this is the first time that05:47we’d seen governments and banks say well05:49we’re not we’re not going to bail the05:50banks out and give them money you’re05:51gonna have to bail your customers in to05:53shore up your reserves and they got what05:56they call a haircut where the customers05:57lost a percentage of all money in their05:59accounts and we saw a lot of protests at06:01the time the ATMs shut the bank shut in06:04Cyprus and Bitcoin ran from a hundred06:06dollars to over a thousand dollars as06:08people in Cyprus saw that as the best06:10way to protect their wealth and have06:12access to their money so this was the06:14first I guess bubble and Bitcoin does06:16follow these these cycles these mini06:18bubbles where we have a very scarce06:20asset it’s thinly traded so when06:22everyone tries to borrow we get these06:23big run ups in price and that leads to06:25euphoria and speculation and then we06:27have these these crashes and like06:29anything it overshoots to the downside06:31and we have panic so I’ve been through06:32seven of these cycles now since 2012 and06:35you know every time people who say whoo06:38bitcoins dead he’d ends up going up a06:39thousand06:40sent the following year throughout this06:43time and despite this volatility if you06:45look at all the network stats for06:46Bitcoin and we can pull a lot of data06:48from that because the blockchain is06:50transparent and anyone can see what’s06:51going on the growth in the network was06:54very constant so bitcoins price06:56unfortunately isn’t just going to06:58steadily increase and you know REITs07:01these large market caps in the trillions07:03where I believe it’s going we’re going07:04to have those cycles despite the actual07:07growth underlying it being very very07:09consistent so most of you’ve probably07:12seen this slide about the u.s. debt07:14clock it’s probably going up a few07:15billion since I took this screenshot07:17yesterday and it’s these are the reasons07:20why bitcoin is so important because of07:23that finite nature that low inflation07:25rate that I spoke about there’s also an07:27Australian debt clock if you want to07:29google that and you can see how quickly07:31these liabilities and promises the07:34government is saying they’re gonna pay07:35us all are unfolding so I’ll put my07:38pharmacists hat back on07:40and once data like to tell people is07:41that for the first time in history07:42there’s more adult diapers than baby07:44diapers we’ve got a generation of baby07:47boomers every day 10,000 baby boomers07:49retire in the US and they’ve been07:51promised these pensions and this07:52Medicare and as you saw in the previous07:54slide that’s hundreds of trillions of07:56dollars the US and other countries are07:58promising at a time when they’re running08:00huge deficits there’s no way that this08:02can be funded and every dollar of debt08:04represents something that needs to be08:06paid out in the future so we know that08:08the money supply is going to have to08:09increase into the hundreds of trillions08:10of dollars and that is going to be very08:13inflationary in all countries around the08:15world at the same time we’ve got a08:18generation of young people such as08:20myself that have grown up with the08:21internet and devices and every time a08:23new technology comes along the adoption08:26rate speeds up so smart phones and08:28Facebook took over the world you know in08:30a number of years only a couple of years08:32compared to previous technologies and08:34communication things spread like08:36wildfire these days and when I see those08:39charts of the Bitcoin and people saying08:40it’s dead it’s a bubble all of those08:42little bumps on the road when you zoom08:44out just another adoption curve in my08:46mind and we’re gonna head to a 80 or 9008:48percent penetration and that doesn’t08:50mean the Bitcoin becomes a world08:51currency or anything like that it just08:53means that08:54every person he’s going to use it to08:55some degree whether it’s just on08:56holidays you know to some degree I08:59believe Bitcoin is going to be used by09:00lots of different people in different09:02capacities now when people tell me that09:05no one spends Bitcoin no one uses it a09:07little company in Australia called09:08living room with Satoshi you have09:10allowed you to pay any bill in Australia09:12since 2014 pay your credit card off pay09:15someone else to their bank account pay09:17your dentist over be pay you can pay any09:19bill in Australia for five years so09:20people are using this every day and we09:23have more and more merchants that are09:25accepting Bitcoin directly so there’s09:27websites and and cards where I can use09:29to pay for things with my Bitcoin do my09:31shopping every week but now we go a step09:33further where the merchants and cafes we09:36rolled out Brisbane Airport last year09:37every shop there now accepts Bitcoin so09:39the merchants are now accepting it09:41directly as well as those other09:42intermediary services now some people09:45say that Bitcoin isn’t the best method09:47of payment it can get a bit expensive in09:48the networks a bit slow and that’s why09:50we’re working on things like the09:51Lightning Network as you see here so09:53that’s a layer that sits on top of the09:55Bitcoin network it’s not perfect like09:57the internet in the early days we’re09:59ironing out all the bugs and we’re10:00making this thing work better and better10:01over time but as long as you can find a10:04route to another person just like we10:06used with the internet you know it finds10:08a route to that website you want to use10:09you don’t even have to know what’s going10:11on your computer on the back end this is10:12what’s happening in the world of Bitcoin10:14and payments now those cycles that I10:17spoke about this chart huge is just10:19showing you the market cap of Bitcoin as10:20it as it grows compared to the realized10:22market cap so what that means is we can10:25look at the last time a Bitcoin moved10:26you know in a wallet when someone bought10:28it and if they bought it a hundred10:30dollars and then the price runs up to10:31$1,000 we can see that the actual market10:34cap is now a long way away from what10:36they last realized the price of their10:37Bitcoin app so people take profits when10:40that moves too far away and it reverts10:42back to the mean and we bottomed out10:44again last year in 2019 at around three10:46thousand dollars and the little orange10:48line you can see at the top there is is10:50that realize market cap so it basically10:52means where everyone’s had a chance to10:54sell now if they want to take profits10:55and whatnot and so the actual true value10:57that’s been realized at the Bitcoin10:59network is at all-time highs and11:00consistently increasing now people say11:03Bitcoin it’s not a good story value it’s11:05too volatile well it11:07we’re in a bear market we’ve been in a11:08bear market for almost two years and11:10it’s still been profitable for 9011:11percent of bitcoins life to buy Bitcoin11:13you’re still in profit and I believe11:15we’re gonna pass those all-time highs in11:17the next 12 or 24 months and that will11:19go back to a hundred percent of the time11:21becomes been a good store of value now a11:23lot of people to the Gold’s of a good11:25story value if you bought it over $1,90011:27and then it falls to a thousand well you11:29bought silver at fifteen and falls to11:30fifteen dollars but those same arguments11:32we can use for Bitcoin zoom-out look at11:34the longer-term chart over time it’s11:36consistently been a better story value11:38than every currency on the planet so11:41what happens when you’ve got an asset11:42that’s the best performing asset and11:43then planet every year buy one for ten11:45years or there’s a lot of copycats come11:47out and other coins so one of the11:49arguments often hears about Bitcoin11:50Forks someone can copy the network hands11:53up who’s heard of Bitcoin cash it’s a11:55it’s a fork of the Bitcoin network so a11:58community can say well we think Bitcoin12:00will be better if we have this feature12:01and they can split away and it’s up to12:03you then to convince everyone why your12:05coin is better so there’s over a hundred12:07Forks 99.9% of them are crap they have12:10zero value but it’s allowed people to12:13try and experiment with something12:14different now they pretty much extends12:16for all cryptocurrencies there’s over12:18ten thousand out there today the term12:20cryptocurrency probably doesn’t do it12:21justice because most of them aren’t12:23trying to be currencies these days12:24there’s just a lot of projects and12:26businesses in the real world that are12:28using a blockchain technology so we need12:30to start referring to these things as12:31digital assets they’re not trying to be12:33currencies and I think that confuses a12:35lot of people so Bitcoin cash has been12:37the most successful hard fork and that’s12:39only captured around two or three12:40percent of the network so Bitcoin12:42continues to get stronger and stronger12:44we call it anti fragile throw out any12:46attack he won on it or any copycat coin12:48and it continues to gain market share12:50and any feature that actually works12:52really well Bitcoin can update and12:55absorb that feature so now we see12:59everyone wanting to get into this space13:00the payment space banks have had it13:02pretty good for a fair while now so13:04Apple pay launch email card13:05recently Facebook came out with the13:07Libra cryptocurrency13:09now all these coming up with payment13:12coins stable coins JPMorgan have13:15launched their own coin so it’s very13:16different to what Bitcoin are trying to13:18do it’s not finite they can13:20as many of those stable coins as they13:22want and that’s just absorbing value and13:25it’s pegged to fiat currency that has13:27all the issues that I’ve been talking13:28about it’s no good being pegged to13:29something that’s going to be inflated13:31away over time and we’ve already seen13:33big regulatory pushback MasterCard Visa13:36PayPal they’ve all pulled out of this13:38labor project and Mark Zuckerberg was in13:40front of Congress getting and grilling13:42again yesterday one of the things that13:44actually said in that Congress hearing13:46was we can’t call the CEO of Bitcoin in13:49here they’re actually admitting that13:51there’s nothing they can really do about13:52it because it is truly decentralized so13:55for ten years now you know the big banks13:57have seen these huge profits the execs13:59get these huge bonuses and yet here we14:01are at the moment last night the Fed14:03prints another hundred billion dollars14:05and lend it out to banks because they14:06they’re crying poor we haven’t got14:08enough money to show up our books that14:09have been paying themselves these14:10enormous bonuses no one’s gone to jail14:13nothing’s been fixed since the GFC and14:15this is at a time when asset prices are14:18at record highs so the sp500 property14:21prices bonds you name it this has been14:23one of the periods of you know enormous14:27growth and your banks are still crying14:28for you know help us out print us some14:31more money now now people aren’t buying14:34this anymore14:34and it’s very very clear even the14:36Federal Reserve in their notes are14:38admitting that what they did didn’t work14:40it ended up with asset inflation and14:42it’s caused inequality so the top one14:44percent you know they’ve gained enormous14:46wealth the bottom 90% you know we see14:48this in Australia as well there’s no14:49wage growth it’s just getting harder and14:51harder for that average person to afford14:53to live and they report inflation at two14:55or three percent but if you look at a14:57lot of the work that’s been done by you14:58know alternate economist it’s far closer15:01to 7 or 9 percent when you see your pack15:03of the Tim Tams getting smaller15:04your bottle of coke getting smaller and15:06the price stays the same there’s ways15:08that they hide inflation from us so as I15:12said this period should be very15:13prosperous for banks they’ve got it very15:15good they get to create that money and15:17you know they should be really booming15:19but yet we see Deutsche Bank in these15:21European banks are on their knees we saw15:23a study come out this week that half the15:25world’s banks wouldn’t survive a15:26downturn now with markets at record15:29highs and we know that this is one of15:31the longest periods of expansion in15:33history15:34every day a recession is drawing near15:36it’s just a natural part of the business15:37cycle so they’re admitting that when15:39that hits half our banks aren’t going to15:41survive so at the moment they’re giving15:42them a hundred billion dollars a day I15:44very much think that the new QE15:46quantitative easing is going to be to15:47the tune of trillions of dollars to have15:50to say the bank’s now because they don’t15:52have those reserves and they’re so weak15:54we’re hoping to see them take measures15:56to force people to keep their money in15:57them and in the legislation we’re seeing15:59Balian laws being written in in16:01countries like Australia just like we16:03saw in Cyprus so this week ANZ16:05updated their terms where they can16:06freeze your account they can stop you16:08getting money out and they can close16:10your account altogether if it would mean16:11that they would suffer financial loss16:13we’re also seeing the the cash war in16:17Australia at the moment they’re trying16:18to ban those $10,000 payments they’re16:20already talking about dropping that to16:21five or two thousand dollars and where16:23this is all heading is negative interest16:25rates in all these countries around the16:26world that abandon cash the IMF wrote a16:28paper that said look negative interest16:31rates don’t work if cash exists because16:33people can pull money out and if we we16:34want to enforce negative interest rates16:36we need to keep people in banks so we16:37need to ban cash so whether it’s you16:40know banks or the well bond market this16:42is a virus that’s spreading and I think16:44people are asleep at the wheel because16:46we’ve had it pretty good in Australia16:47and and in the US but as soon as those16:50rates go negative in our country and in16:52the US it’s a big big wake-up call to16:54everyone that what what is going on16:57interest rates for the past 20-30 years16:58have been trending down people thought17:00they couldn’t go past zero and yet17:02they’re you know negative one percent or17:03greater in some of these countries now17:05that should be traditionally seen as17:07strong in Europe so the amount of17:09negative yielding debt in the world it17:11recently passed seventeen trillion17:12dollars you know how how easy is it to17:15park some money in gold or Bitcoin or17:17something that doesn’t have a negative17:19yield people are rushing into negativeyielding bonds because they think thatcentral banks are going to print moneyout of thin air and buy those bonds offthem so everyone’s on the one side of17:28the boat and that what worries me with17:29this this bond bubble now at the same17:32time everyone’s playing happy faces here17:34where there’s never been greater17:36mistrust of banks and policymakers so17:39Commissioner Haynes said that trust has17:41been lost to all the corporations and17:43institutions and banks in Australia and17:45I very much agree17:48now for the first time ever we’re seeing17:49widespread civil unrest people say oh17:52you know it’s it’s just Argentina or17:54then it’s just Venezuela then it’s just17:56symbolic17:57this week it’s Chile Hong Kong you know17:59it’s coming to a city near you where18:01people and governments are saying well18:03what we gonna do here let’s just raise18:05taxes and people are saying no we’re not18:07going to stand for that anymore and and18:09everywhere Bitcoin is becoming part of18:11this social movement now at the same18:13time we’re seeing central bankers MarkCarney from the Bank of Englandliterally saying that you know it isn’tfair that the US dollar has this worldreserve currency they get way too muchan advantage here so this isn’t Russia18:25and China throwing this anymore this is18:26their best friend saying that you’ve had18:28it too good for too long now the u.s.18:30being a world reserve currency means18:32that all these other regional currencies18:34have their debt denominated in u.s.18:35dollars and as their currencies fall and18:37u.s. dollar gets stronger they owe more18:39and more money back in terms of their18:41local currency so when seeing the US18:43dollar strengthened at a time when he’s18:45really hurting everyone else and so18:47there’s questions around how long it can18:49remain the reserve currency and make18:51mark carney they’re calling for a newreserve currency a digital currency toreplace the dollar we’re also seeingcalls for the u.s. we know that chinaare launching their own cryptocurrency19:02we’ve seen venezuela launch theirs so19:05whether or not the US does it you know I19:07don’t really care it’s gonna be a case19:09of you know trust us again this is a new19:11currency the only difference is they’re19:13going to be able to monitor literally19:14everything you do on a blockchain versus19:17what they do already with the banks and19:18they’re going to print those hundreds of19:20trillions of dollars of digital US19:22dollars it’s nothing like Bitcoin that19:24has a set amount and Bitcoin just19:26becomes more and more scarce relative to19:29all these other currencies that banks19:31and governments and the Facebook’s of19:33the world want to create so at this time19:36when all our currencies are going19:38digital everyone uses their online19:39banking less people use cash everyone19:42does the pay past these days so money is19:44already digital but people still think19:46about it as as notes or people don’t19:48realize it’s not backbite by gold19:50anymore so we’re seeing penetrations of19:53smart phones you know 90 percent or19:55greater even in emerging markets even if19:57they don’t have a smartphone they’ve got19:59a basic phone these days and you don’t20:00need a good20:01their connection to the Bitcoin payments20:02you need a very basic mobile connection20:04is all you all you need to be able to20:06participate in this network and become20:08your own bank20:09so throughout these Asian countries you20:11know Hong Kong was another recent20:12example where they’ve had issues with20:14the ATMs and whatnot these people are20:16extremely familiar with digital payments20:18and scanning and shops with their QR20:20codes and Bitcoin is just the next step20:22in that evolution of money so the20:25greatest opportunity in lies in these20:27emerging market economies where there’s20:29billions of people so too often people20:31say are the government will never let20:32Bitcoin overtake you know things in20:34Australia or the u.s. it doesn’t matter20:36Bitcoin has already been used widely in20:38Venezuela and all these other countries20:39where there’s billions more people than20:42in Australia the u.s. all these these20:44Western countries that are unbanked so20:46just like they didn’t get phone lines20:47and they started using mobile phones20:49they’re not going to get banks they’re20:51just going to start using digital20:52currencies on their phones so the value20:55of the Bitcoin network comes from the20:57number of connections and that’s why we20:58see just like Facebook grow that any21:00good technology it grows exponentially21:02and the value comes from the number of21:04connections in the network that’s known21:06as Metcalfe’s law so as more and more21:08people use Bitcoin it means more people21:10can send it to each other you know my21:12business that I started we’ve got a21:13number of services from say nine dollars21:16a month to $50 a month our customers are21:18all over the globe how someone in Russia21:20meant to send me nine dollars a month21:21for my newsletter it’s not possible21:23without Bitcoin and digital currency so21:25my business and hundreds of others are21:27examples of what’s possible we’ve crypto21:29currencies without the banking system so21:33this is a screenshot of a blockchain21:35Explorer so just like you can search21:37something in Google with on the Bitcoin21:39blockchain you can search for21:40transactions now this is a good and bad21:42thing if you know anyone’s address you21:44can send anyone else on the network21:46money there’s no no I can sense of that21:48transaction or freeze your account and21:49in terms of crime just last week this21:53helped regulators catch the bad guys21:55this is their best friend they could21:57follow the bitcoins where they’ve paid21:58them to when they cash them out and they22:01catch these crooks so to say that22:02bitcoins bad because you get to use for22:04crime you know that it’s just simply not22:06true it’s a regulators best friend now22:09one of the big debates we are going to22:11have is once Bitcoin starts to implement22:13more privacy so it’s important for be22:15this is not to be able to see every22:16transaction that they do so whether the22:18privacy upgrades come on the main22:20Bitcoin chain or second layers that’s22:23going to be a big debate as we move22:24forward about giving Bitcoin more22:26privacy at the same time we’re going to22:29get rid of those long strings of letters22:30and numbers that you just saw that are22:32confusing you’re going to be able to22:33send your cryptocurrency to Nuggets news22:36Bitcoin or Alex Saunders crypto so human22:39readable names and addresses just like22:41you do in your phonebook click of a22:42button send money to anyone in the world22:44another argument often hear is that22:46bitcoins wasteful bitcoin uses you know22:49more energy than a small country these22:51days but what they won’t tell you in the22:52mainstream is that the vast majority of22:54that is spare capacity at reactors that22:57would already be gone waste or renewable22:59energy so pick coin is the fastest23:01growing renewable energy industry on the23:03planet people are actually going out and23:05and building renewable energy plants23:07because they can start to mine Bitcoin23:09and pay it off you know this is uses23:11expanding our renewable footprint at a23:13time when governments are being slow to23:15act now part of bitcoins one of the23:19features that keeps it so secure it’s23:21the most secure computer network on23:23earth so when you hear about hacks there23:25are people that left their password in23:27there in their email account well they23:28left their you know being logged in at23:30work Bitcoin network has never been23:32hacked because it is so secure all these23:34computers all 10,000 that I showed you23:36at the start on that world map they’re23:38all securing the network so unless you23:40can hack every one of those at once you23:42can’t hack the Bitcoin blockchain so23:44this feature of how much energy it uses23:46secures it if governments tried to23:48attack it with every supercomputer and23:50on earth it wouldn’t even put a dent in23:53Bitcoin there’s so many more computers23:54globally that are securing the network23:57all that money that has been invested by23:59those miners to buy those computers that24:02is all very important in terms of the24:04infrastructure of the Bitcoin network so24:06if I said to you I was here yesterday24:08for the panel discussion I think24:11yesterday I said what would it be worth24:12if Microsoft or Apple came out and said24:15hey guys we build a network that can’t24:17be hacked it’s got no down time that24:19would be worth hundreds of billions of24:21dollars so that is what the Bitcoin24:22network is it’s not just this payment24:24system or this store of value it’s the24:26most secure computer network in the24:28world and that24:29while we see someone like Microsoft say24:31geez this is better than anything we’ve24:32got let’s just our building our products24:34on top of the Bitcoin blockchain so24:37these household names like Microsoft24:38Vanek or one of the biggest providers in24:40the world of investment ETFs these are24:43the household names now that people are24:45realizing that oh this isn’t about this24:47isn’t a bubble they’re telling their24:48clients the investment case for Bitcoin24:50now a lot of people are tech savvy they24:53can’t figure out the hardware wallets24:55which is like a little USB stick where24:57you store your bitcoins yourself and has24:58your password on the device so it can’t25:00be hacked but not everyone wants to do25:02that you know we’ve done education25:04around all that sort of stuff if you’re25:05interested but some people they don’t25:06want to hold their own shares they just25:08want someone else to do it for him so25:09we’ve seen reputable companies like25:11Lloyds of London and bit go they’re25:14offering insurance and custody and25:16that’s why we’ve seen influx of high net25:18worth clients over the past 12 months25:20and in Australia our biggest growing25:22demographic is baby boomers so we did25:24one on one education we have a premium25:27community we’re but the number of over25:2965 now and they they’ve been through25:31cycles and crashes they see the25:33importance of gold and they’re starting25:34to understand the importance of Bitcoin25:37at the same time we’ve seen the futures25:39market take off as I said for I’m not a25:41big fan of that maybe it makes me quite25:43a bit more legitimate but I don’t like25:44those type of assets that are backed by25:46real Bitcoin but we’ve seen things like25:48option markets and even decentralized25:50option markets so it’s not one company25:52now anyone can create a market and a25:55theorem it’s the world’s second largest25:57cryptocurrency I’m also very bullish on25:59because the world of decentralized26:01finance is just exploding so instead of26:03paying $20 to calm sector trade shares26:05you’re gonna pay one cent and you’re26:07gonna buy them off someone else that’s a26:08shareholder and what blockchain does is26:10cut out the middleman of all these26:12services that are you know rent-seeking26:14and just taking their little clip each26:15time and it makes everything26:17peer-to-peer so tying this all together26:21we’ve seen the Federal Reserve start to26:23create billions of dollars each night to26:25help these banks and the old trustus you26:27know everything will be fine we’re gonna26:28normalize everything I think that’s why26:30we’ve seen gold correct over the past26:32few years as people thought oh it’s all26:34gonna go back to normal 3% growth 5% in26:36a bonding my retirement account26:38I don’t need gold or Bitcoin and now26:40that story is not being bought anymore26:41it’s qe426:43you know they can’t stop printing this26:44money in the debt based system that 20026:47trillion dollar figure that I’ve spoken26:48about we have to continue to grow and26:50create debt if we’re going to pay all26:52these people so once again we’re seeing26:54a lot of tension whether it’s between26:56you know the US Fed who don’t want to26:58drop rates and Donald Trump saying let’s26:59get rates to zero or negative everything27:01will be growing even more for the first27:03time throughout history we’re seeing27:04real tension between governments and27:06central banks who are saying trust us27:09we’ll fix everything without two levers27:11and now they’re saying I think we’re out27:13of tools here government it’s up to you27:15you need to spend more we’ve done all we27:16can do pass the buck27:17so who’s going to be left holding the27:19back here we know governments are no27:21good at running those economies and it’s27:22up to them to try an ear trick or the27:24central bankers to try something even27:26more crazy and I think actually people’s27:28QE where they enough to hand out money27:30to people because it’s not going to be27:32politically acceptable to put money and27:33give it to the banks and then we run a27:35danger of inflation but people aren’t27:37going to let it fly printing money and27:38giving it to the banks so you guys know27:40the story every fiat currency throughout27:42history has been eroded away over time27:44this is just last year in terms of27:46inflation in in ten countries there for27:48example and with more and more people27:50that Tim Draper’s of the world27:51respectable investors Jack Dorsey the27:54founder of Twitter saying that there’s27:56you know we’re in this Internet age just27:58like the internet opened up the way we27:59transfer information across the world28:01everyone said oh you can’t do that the28:03bad guys were taught for each other28:04Bitcoin allows anyone to transfer value28:06to each other and then a theorem again28:08further expands what we can do28:10peer-to-peer so there’s going to be some28:13sort of world currency on the internet28:15and Bitcoin has the track record so the28:17biggest opportunity that I see is these28:20currencies there’s over 200 currencies28:22globally the top five that are the world28:24reserve currencies of the world sure28:26that they’re fairly strong and whether28:28the US you know you loses its purchasing28:30power with all that debt that’s another28:32story but who on earth is going to hold28:34these hundred Southeast Asian currencies28:36and when the government’s are saying28:38trust us with the currency wars heating28:40up it’s a race to debase their28:41currencies as economies weakened they28:43all try to get the value of their dollar28:45down to help their exports it’s28:46literally a race to the bottom and we’ve28:48seen Donald Trump tweet about this28:49so these currencies have all got market28:51caps in the hundreds of billions or28:53trillions of dollars with that little28:54blip down the bottom there called28:56Bitcoin when28:57in a country with a smartphone can28:58choose to park their wealth in something29:00that’s fixed and scarce29:01or Park their wealth in this this29:03currency that they’ve seen Harper29:04inflate away constantly throughout29:06history I think the choice is pretty29:07clear so we’re seeing this in Argentine29:10record volumes Chile you know the list29:13is very long the number of people that29:15are now choosing Bitcoin instead of29:16something else29:17so the having next May is very important29:19as I spoke about and then again four29:21years later and where to Bitcoin derives29:24its a lot of its value from similar to29:25gold on this chart which you see the29:27yellow block up the top right corner is29:29the scarcity of gold that is something29:31that makes it valuable29:32now if gold goes to $5,000 an ounce29:35maybe people are going to mine it maybe29:36the inflation of gold goes to three or29:38four percent silver we see there as well29:40gets a lot of its value because of its29:42scarcity but Bitcoin as we see it29:45trending up that chart over time as it29:47becomes more and more scarce it29:49increases in value and bitcoin is going29:52to surpass gold in terms of what we call29:53stock to flow the amount of new supply29:55coming into circulation compared to29:57what’s already exists and I think the29:59bitcoins going to surpass the market cap30:01of gold within five years so tying it30:04all together when you look at everything30:06else told you today it’s a payment30:07system the smartest minds in the world30:10are working on the cutting edges of30:11technology it’s a store of value it’s a30:14medium of exchange it’s the world’s most30:15secure computing network what’s all that30:17worth in a world where we’ve got a30:19hundred billion dollar market cap30:20compared to the hundreds of trillions of30:23dollars that exists in currency markets30:24stock markets these technology companies30:28I think it’s an absolute no-brainer to30:30park a little bit of your wealth in30:32Bitcoin and if you want any more30:33information on anything we do come and30:35see me or head to Nuggets news.com30:37today.you thank you30:39[Applause]30:45[Music]