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hello and welcome to the katie helper
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show sorry if i’m speaking
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more softly than usual i have some semi
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sleeping um
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beasts in the in the room from which i’m
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broadcasting
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um but so excited to be joined by
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honestly like basic
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major staple of the show uh beyond the
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joyride
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it’s always such a pleasure katie you’re
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my number one favorite stop you know
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that
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thank you and we’re both like i guess
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we’re both kind of night owls right so
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we’re taking advantage of that
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to have this emergency
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this is like the beginning of my evening
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usually i know we just woke up
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but uh hi everyone thanks so much for
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stopping by and brie you want to just
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kind of walk us through
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what is happening what we’re responding
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to basically it goes under the umbrella
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of biden’s leaks but um
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can you set up the context yeah so
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i believe it was two days ago
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the intercept released a
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video of um a meeting that joe biden and
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kamala harris had with representatives
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from
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the black community um reverend al
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sharpton um
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uh the head of the naacp um
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vina gupta from um a legal defense fund
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um cedric richardson who has been in the
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press a great deal
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because he was picked as a environmental
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liaison and one of
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biden’s chief aides who on the tape he
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says is going to be in the room with me
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all the time and yet comes from one of
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the most
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polluted districts in the country but
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is black and that was kind of put out
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there as a shield for him
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by certain journalists on twitter
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sunrise movement for criticizing him
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right influential black staffer as he
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calls him yeah
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right um so what the gist of this
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meeting was
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each person takes 10 minutes or so to
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outline their request of the
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administration
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and what was so kind of galling as joe
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biden
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responds in that kind of classic joe
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biden
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pushy dictatorial bullyish tone that
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we’ve seen from him a lot but which for
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some reason never really got picked up
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by the media or he never got
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characterized as a bully in any
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meaningful way
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especially when you compare him to how
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bernie sanders was treated
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um but he basically tells them all the
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reasons
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why they should know that he’s gonna do
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the right thing i mean what i say
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um and says a lot of particularly choice
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things that we’re gonna run through and
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play some clips i think
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but i think the biggest story and the
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focus of the intercepts reporting
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is the extent to which um uh
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sorry johnson what’s his first name from
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the naacp um
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uh what is it derek johnson where
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the naacp very gently raises to joe
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biden and everyone
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is operating in the most gentle
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way almost like they’re dealing they’re
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like i don’t want to say abuse victims
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but like
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they know that he has a temper and they
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are making the most
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you can clear they really care about
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what they’re off they’re asking him for
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but they’re
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asking him in a way that they hope is
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going to maximize him listening and not
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responding in the reactionary what he
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kind of does at all
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right and so he suggests that appointing
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tom vilsek
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to secretary of agriculture would be a
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mistake in particular in georgia
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where he has a bad reputation for two
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reasons one because he’s a big ag guy
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who small farmers detest because he
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supports a lot of trade policies that
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are very harmful to small farms he’s
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been a dairy industry lobbyist
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um since he left the obama
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administration where he had the same
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post
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and second of all a lot of black groups
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were pushing for
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um marsha fudge to be in that position
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she’s well qualified to do it
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and instead marcia fudge has been
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sidelined into hud which is
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classically a post that black people get
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sidelined into and something that she
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had raised as a concern before the picks
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were actually announced
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and secondarily uh vilsack is a problem
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because he very
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famously fired shirley sherrod after
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some out of context
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statements were made public um during
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the obama administration
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um
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and before the full remarks were ever
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examined very very quickly she was let
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go and she by contrast was very popular
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in the state
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is a civil rights icon of sorts and is
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very popular
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despite being black with georgia farmers
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um
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so uh after hearing that vice joe biden
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did not react
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pleasantly do we want to go straight to
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the clip
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yeah and just so people know it’s just
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so it’s like you kind of can’t make it
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up because she literally said a few days
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ago martial fudge
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as this country becomes more and more
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diverse we’re going to have to stop
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looking at only
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certain agencies as those that fit
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people like me in
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you know it’s always we want to put the
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black person in labor or hud
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and then biden turns around and as you
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said despite her interest and expertise
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in agriculture
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puts her into hud so yeah showing
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instead of telling
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but yeah let’s should we go to some of
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the audio tape yeah it’s at it’s at
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121.51
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okay great
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okay 121
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here we go
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okay 121.51 ish
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okay
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everyone like while i’m getting this up
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and also make sure you follow brianna on
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twitter obviously
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um like subscribe to this channel
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so one section katie lose her voice no
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katie’s trying not to wake up all the
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other people
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in her house yeah uh i dragged her into
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this my apologies
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late night very very very persuasion
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um i was i was did not need to be peer
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pressured okay
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you ready freddy let me make sure i have
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this can you guys hear me though i know
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i’m not being as
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expressive as usual
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but i’m audible
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okay
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equity equality fairness
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the work that we need to do as an
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administration cannot get done without
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your involvement partnership support
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and influence she sounds like she’s
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reading and so i say
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hello to all of the friends yeah she
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didn’t talk really quickly
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i’m worried that i didn’t give me the
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right time
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as soon as she stops talking it should
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be the clip that we’re talking about
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what happened it’s actually me it’s my
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bed
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oh okay somehow it moved
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it’s 121.50 you said yeah you wanted me
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to be concerned
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derek i think it was you said it yeah is
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it earlier than this oh this is it
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okay that was right on he’s talking to
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derek john
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johnson right from the naacp in case
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you’re just joining us uh
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dealing with um vilsack as uh
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in uh in terms of uh agriculture
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well first of all you can learn more
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about vilsack’s record but my point is
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this
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you’ll learn more about it i think we
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should make that a big issue going into
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before
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january 5th when the election takes
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place
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down in in
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georgia but i also don’t think we should
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get too far ahead of ourselves
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on dealing with police reform
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in that because they’ve already labeled
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us as being
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defund the police anything we put
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forward in terms of the organizational
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structure
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to change policing which i promise you
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will occur
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promise you just think to yourself and
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give me advice whether we should do that
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before january 5th because that’s how
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they beat the living hell out of us
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across the country saying that we’re
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talking about defunding the police
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we’re not we’re talking about holding
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them accountable
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we’re talking about giving them money to
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do the right
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things we’re talking about putting more
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psychologists and psychiatrists
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on the telephones when the 9-1-1 calls
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through
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we’re talking about spending money to
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enable them to do their
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jobs better not more
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with more force with less force
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but that’s i just raise it with you to
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think about i mean part of what
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i’m amazing about between now and
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january
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at him he’s like trying not to he’s
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literally like trying to keep his mouth
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closed i mean part of what’s amazing
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about this is how
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little pushback anybody gives in the
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context of this call with the exception
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of sherlin eiffel who
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like kind of does like she interrupts
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him
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later on to bring it back to an earlier
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point and he kind of bulldozes it
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through it again she still does so
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very very very gently so obviously
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what’s wild about this response is that
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he took
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a legitimate concern about what’s going
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on
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in georgia and the risks of a tom velcek
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appointment to this crucial state that
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the whole party has turned its eye to
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and ignores that legitimate critique and
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pivots to defund the police
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as the be-all end-all destroyer of
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democratic
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futures and when of course we know
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there’s absolutely no
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evidence in the world to point to the
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fact that to fund the
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defend the police is what caused the
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terrible down ballot results
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um on election day yeah and also who
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said it that’s the other thing like who
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was who was
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uh campaigning on that slogan nobody i
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mean well corey bush
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thank you what right now in a purple
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sting
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right right yeah completely defying all
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of the subtle
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logic and expectations so we all know
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that joe biden is crap you know
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sorry i could measure my moderate a
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little bit because
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there’s room for improvement right
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there’s some cooling paints
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right but it’s almost as though you can
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see them setting up the narrative
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for if they lose in georgia it’s going
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to be defending the police and there
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won’t be even a modicum
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of press attention to whether or not the
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tom vilsack
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appointment had an effect in an estate
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that
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is heavily rural and his rural
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population is diverse
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and black and white farmers alike have a
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problem with this pick
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right and also there’ll be no
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examination of you know what
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the effect of assaf being totally
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moderate not inspiring running on
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literally nothing except not being a
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republican and to be fair
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his guy his opponent is so awful that
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that’s like some
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you know that’s a that’s something to
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run on but of course that’s not really
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that doesn’t get people out to the polls
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right of course and we also need i mean
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i’m just making them
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on the most cynical level like forget
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the fact that this is medicare for all
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is a life and death moral issue like
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putting that aside it’s just a stupid
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tactic to just be running against the
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republican incumbent
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um yeah it’s interesting though it’s
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kind of like he’s like well you know
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since we’re talking about the whole
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georgia black thing
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let me just draw your attention to
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another whole georgia black thing i
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would like you to address
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like it’s not it doesn’t respond to what
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they’re saying at all
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yeah like not only not taking
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responsibility
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or addressing it he’s like and i’ll tell
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you something else
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yeah he’s like that throughout too i
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mean people can characterize it how they
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want to characterize it and i know a lot
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of liberals are very offended by the
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idea that
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he perhaps is not as you know cogent as
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he used to be
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but the reality is i called obama
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uh clean and articulate yeah but the
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halcyon day
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but when you listen to the whole thing
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like i was listening to roland martin
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did a breakdown and he
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actually was making some solid points um
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but
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there was somebody on the panel who was
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like i can’t i don’t respect this clip
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because one is from the intercept and
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two it’s only 18 minutes and then i’m
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sure they doctored it well here’s the
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whole clip and i was you know the whole
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i had listened to the whole clip and the
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whole clip
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is not better for bite and what it
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really reveals is how
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meandering and unfocused he is
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and how he keeps dipping into these
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weird racial asides one of which i want
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us to go to next katie because i haven’t
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heard anybody draw any attention to this
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yet
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because it’s not really substantive
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enough news value but it’s just so
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bizarre
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where is it it’s at 128.
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so i mean kamala finally gets a chance
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to speak and he interrupts her
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immediately to say this okay
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128.
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is it 128-0 more or less yeah but i want
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to just catch the end of kamla so we can
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hear the interruption
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of course so let’s just come up with a
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plan and
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and a road map for how we mark you’re
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going to be angry
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yeah i want to say one more thing i am
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incredibly
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optimistic let me tell you why
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i’m incredibly optimistic because
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society is changing
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the z generation and young millennials
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are changing
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the ones he has no empathy you’re not
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going to remember maybe please know
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about
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millennials take a look at what is
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happening
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watch this 15 years ago
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could you turn on the television and see
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three or four out of seven commercials
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be biracial commercials
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what do you think guys huh what do you
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think
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you want to know where society’s going
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erc
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watch entertainment watch the profit
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motive
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why are these commercials
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so many of them biracial the young
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generation
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is changing they’re demanding
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more they don’t come with the baggies
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maybe 10 20 25 of them are pure racist
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who knows
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but the vast majority the vast majority
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are my racial commercial enthusiasm
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when i was coming up and the second
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thing has changed
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is that you and i have talked about this
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al
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remember what dr king said okay he’s
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about to go to another crazy thing
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for a second yeah so when i listened to
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that for the first time
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i like i lost my mind
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i i i truly don’t know what that is or
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what that’s supposed to mean
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like the idea that you just sat through
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an hour of
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some of the most preeminent civil rights
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figures of our time
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green book was a great film like he just
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these people everyone on this call very
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seriously and meaningfully put
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to him a whole list of really grave
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concerns
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serious concerns to the black community
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in particular is dealing with in this
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car at this crisis point
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you know sherlock eiffel called on him
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in particular please please please
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mr future president president-elect can
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you use your executive authority
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to do all of these things she gave a
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whole list of things that he could do
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that he could do even if things go south
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in georgia
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and he came back and there’s a whole
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soliloquy that we should
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go back to about how he wasn’t going to
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use executive authority and then was to
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come back and interrupt
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kamala harris his the first black vice
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president
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to offer this little tidbit about how
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things aren’t really looking so terrible
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because there are a lot of biracial kids
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and television commercials these days
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yeah someone wrote anthony uh wrote um
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wait where is this someone wrote
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arrested development it went really
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quickly
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but someone said this is like arrested
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development did i
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make that up no this is like arrested
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development i don’t even know what you
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mean
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sorry the randomness of it it is it is
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like
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there’s something about it i don’t know
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what it is but that that really rings
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true to me yeah
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also like how i mean commercials should
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be more bi-racial
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you were born in the what the 40s like
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they didn’t have black people on
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commercials much less families
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right yeah and in the idea that the
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profit motive is difficult
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right well capitalism recognizes black
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people can buy things now so
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look at that guys do you ever think
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about that naacp people
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oh my gosh okay so where’s the
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outrageous so he goes on i don’t know i
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mean this isn’t like
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the most news substantive bit either but
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the next little
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soliloquy is him talking about dogs
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biting the flesh of black people in the
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civil rights movement
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and it’s just it’s visceral it’s a lot
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yeah
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i mean when you’re the thing is that
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that’s what kept him away from the civil
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rights movement he really
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fears dogs so that’s why he wasn’t there
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well according to him
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he was one of the leaders of the civil
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rights movement and it’s a little quick
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that i don’t think we should play
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he talks about how well maybe it’s a
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part and parcel of this but he talks
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about
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how you know he knew how much it changed
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because when he was a student
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out of college in delaware and he used
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to stand on the train tracks he could
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see one side of the town that was white
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and developed on one side of the town
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that was black and not
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and later as he stood on the train
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tracks waiting for the train to arrive
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to take him
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to the inauguration or to meet up with
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barack obama or whatever to be the
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first black president of the united
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states of america um
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he thought wow we went from that to now
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i’m catching the train to to get barack
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obama inaugurated and look how far we’ve
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come
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yeah i mean it’s like texas he said that
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during one of the
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news things right during one of the um
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town halls
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oh this is a bit that he’s been playing
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oh yeah he did that where was the one in
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florida where he where he was like
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you know totally pandered to some
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miamian
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uh concerned about like the socialists
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and he you know was one of the many
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times during the campaign
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he mentioned that he he’s the one who
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beat the socialist but yeah he brought
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up that story i’m sure it’s in a book
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too
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i’m sure but okay let’s let’s uh
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yeah okay let’s play this
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i mean he did to be fair i just want
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people to know he was a lifeguard in a
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swimming pool that black people swam in
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um he did a lot of work anti-racist
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training with corn pop
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um peace be upon him and he also
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um black children would would play with
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his golden leg hair do you remember that
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yeah you can’t make this stuff up and
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somehow you know
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look this this i will acknowledge that
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that stuff isn’t the most important
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stuff
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but it’s important in so far as it’s
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useful i think it’s necessary that we
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point out the media’s bias angle of this
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because if i’m sorry bernie sanders or
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any other
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progressive candidate who was on the
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wrong side of the corporate aisle
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would have said any of that it would
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have been playing non-stop
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yeah how about just lying how about
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saying you got arrested visiting
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um nelson mandela and you then didn’t
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get arrested at all there was no
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arrest yeah andrew young was like no i
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was there he didn’t get arrested i mean
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it’s just insane
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yeah okay so let’s play some more of
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this
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on those black women and sig the dogs on
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them ripping their clothes off
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going to their sunday go to church best
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and they’re ripping the skin off of
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those kids
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he said it was response that was
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straight from the heart of the civil
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rights movement
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remember what he said the quote that was
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most significantly and happened in terms
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of freedom
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what happened was we got the voting
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rights act and the civil rights act out
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of that
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that young man who stood with a camera
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a cell phone like millions of people
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have
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and stood there for eight minutes and 46
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seconds
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and took a picture of george floyd
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asking for his mom
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seeing his nose broken against that curb
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all of a sudden what happened you saw a
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response around
19:56
america and around the world the world
20:00
doesn’t mean we don’t have a big fight
20:02
to go but the first thing we had to do
20:04
because of you we get it done is get rid
20:07
of the racist
20:08
donald trump the first thing don’t
20:11
define the police thing all we got to do
20:13
is go back and appeal to those folks he
20:15
won right i mean who
20:16
just tell me that some of that 70 by
20:20
giving them anything
20:21
but appeal by moving hard
20:24
toward what will benefit them as well
20:28
if you notice they’re giving them
20:29
something whenever i make those speeches
20:30
about
20:32
civil liberties
20:40
i make them to white chambers of
20:42
commerce i make them the white
20:44
audiences because i got to remind them
20:47
you want your community to look better
20:50
make sure black folks can own a house
20:53
you want to make sure your community
20:55
does better make sure everybody’s making
20:57
15 bucks an hour minimum
20:59
you want to make your community better
21:01
make sure everybody’s making more money
21:04
it’s never never never never never
21:07
never never hurt the wealthy they always
21:11
do better
21:12
but it gives the poorer way up and the
21:14
middle class is shot
21:16
so yeah i just think we have a way i
21:18
think the americans we should probably
21:20
move to a different part but like that’s
21:21
you you get the gist of how this goes
21:22
right he just he grant he grandstands
21:25
and tells his
21:26
classic tales in a way that’s completely
21:30
non-responsive to the specific and
21:31
substantive concerns that have been
21:33
raised by this panel
21:34
right um and to see if there’s any
21:37
remarks from the people on the panel
21:39
just then as you saw in that clip it was
21:41
it was people kind of ushering him on
21:44
and saying yes that’s right that’s right
21:46
um no pushback at all except from anyone
21:49
except for sherlin eiffel and very
21:50
little revealed even in the facial
21:51
expressions
21:52
i i don’t i’m almost impressed i know
21:55
did they take something before
21:57
i don’t know what you could even take
21:58
that would make you like that
22:01
yeah um okay
22:05
fire’s taken off oh my gosh yeah
22:08
i mean there are a couple of okay so one
22:11
significant
22:12
another significant moment that hasn’t
22:13
really been reported out as of yet
22:15
is at 1 19 16.
22:19
um there has been
22:23
there have been i don’t know if you saw
22:24
this katie some stories floated about
22:27
maya harris who’s kamala harris’s sister
22:30
and was hillary clinton’s campaign
22:32
manager she was something senior on the
22:33
hillary campaign
22:35
senior adviser or something like that
22:39
her husband tony west who’s chief legal
22:42
officer
22:43
at uber being floated for attorney
22:45
general
22:47
and one of the points that was made
22:49
really strongly by vanita gupta from
22:51
the naacp legal defense fund here
22:54
was that the whoever fills that role
22:58
needs to be really familiar with the
23:01
office and to be able to start on
23:02
on day one given how much donald trump
23:05
has done to degrade
23:06
all the civil rights protections all the
23:08
voting rights protections all the things
23:09
we’ve been talking about the last four
23:10
years
23:11
that we’re supposed to care a lot about
23:12
which democrats have done a lot of
23:14
posturing around
23:15
and tony west would be kind of a clear
23:17
nepotism
23:18
slap in the face um and joe biden is
23:22
somewhat responsive
23:24
and might give it gives us some clues
23:25
here into who it might be
23:28
at 1 19 16.
23:34
the department you will see that as well
23:37
who need you did a hell of a job in the
23:39
civil rights event i
23:40
i really mean it but you will see
23:43
that is critical and i
23:46
think it matters how
23:50
we start off i’ve again i
23:53
i’ll conclude by saying one of the
23:55
things i learned
23:56
early on was that
23:59
if in order to get things done in the
24:01
congress or the senate
24:04
i start off by always going after my
24:07
opponent’s
24:07
motive i’m never getting done saying
24:10
that
24:11
when i talk about dealing with the whole
24:14
notion
24:14
of what we’re going to do in terms of
24:17
infrastructure
24:19
i’m talking about it across the board
24:20
i’m not talking about just building
24:22
highways
24:23
i’m talking to making sure that we have
24:25
safe water
24:26
i’m not going to make sure we have clean
24:28
water i’m going to make sure
24:30
that we can breathe the clean air i’m
24:32
going to make you realize
24:33
all the folks who are getting clobbered
24:35
by climate
24:37
are all fence line communities which you
24:39
all come from frontline
24:40
community the poor community they’re the
24:43
ones who are dying
24:45
overwhelmingly as a consequence of the
24:47
impacts of
24:48
climate change and he’s saying that with
24:50
cedric richardson
24:52
sitting right there my climate policies
24:55
climate’s about equity it’s not just
24:58
about being able to breathe clean air
25:01
is this woman and we’re going to build
25:03
one
25:04
in a way that we’re going to make
25:06
significant jobs
25:08
for folks that in fact represent
25:10
minority communities
25:13
i don’t know maybe i oh maybe it was
25:15
116. that’s already doing that
25:17
and no one’s fought harder to get rid of
25:19
assault weapons than me i think
25:21
he’s bringing up assault weapons
25:24
you do that next guy comes along and
25:26
says well guess what by executive order
25:28
i guess everybody can own machine guns
25:30
again let’s talk about that
25:32
so we got to be careful i know you all
25:34
know this
25:35
i know you know it i you and poor commas
25:39
heard me say this and so is cedric
25:41
i used to have a friend named bob gold
25:43
who was a really bright guy
25:45
not much of america we don’t need the
25:46
power he wasn’t an academic quiz
25:48
but bright as hell well and as he grew
25:50
up he became very successful i look at
25:52
him
25:53
he died a heart transplant and so
25:56
like about 30 years ago
25:59
bob you understand what i’m saying do
26:01
you know what i’m talking about john do
26:02
you understand me
26:03
you looked at me said joe i not only
26:05
understand you i overstand you
26:08
i’m sure you overstand me here i did
26:10
okay
26:11
that’s yeah i’m i don’t sorry i might i
26:14
was rushing
26:14
to write this down and i might have
26:15
missed that but the point of that he
26:16
says he will pick an ag with a
26:18
significant record
26:19
on civil rights and to me that would
26:22
exclude tony west well
26:25
he has a record with with civil rights
26:27
because uber violates civil rights
26:30
um all the time we say katie he’s pretty
26:33
appropriate
26:34
touche i mean we can go back over
26:38
obviously the main clip that everyone’s
26:39
been playing today is him ranting about
26:41
how he’s not going to use
26:42
executive authority and the constitution
26:45
the constitution the constitution we
26:46
have to follow the constitution
26:48
because if we you know i’m not going to
26:49
use executive action to ban assault
26:51
weapons which
26:53
nobody asked him to do i mean what
26:54
hasn’t been played for
26:56
you know good reasons because it’s a
26:57
little bit dry is what each of the
26:59
panelists
27:00
asks for in the first half of the
27:03
of the thing but when you listen to the
27:05
very detailed requests that cheryl and
27:07
iphone video gupta in particular
27:09
offered up specifically saying this is
27:10
what you can do with executive
27:12
orders this is what you can do with
27:14
executive orders
27:16
and then to hear joe biden bluster
27:18
through it so defensively
27:20
it’s it it does not bode well
27:24
you know it does not inspire hope that
27:27
he will bring the same
27:29
tenacity to the presidency that trump
27:31
very effectively had
27:33
and used to you know destroy the country
27:35
yeah
27:36
it’s we we should do another stream
27:38
where we do a deep dive of this breed by
27:40
the way
27:41
yeah re-edit it and stuff but i i wanted
27:44
to also talk about um
27:46
i don’t know which clip it is but he
27:47
says something like i gotta go but
27:50
which is what he did also on um uh the
27:53
breakfast club
27:54
he likes being like i gotta go but and
27:56
then he chastises everyone in the room
27:57
for not giving him more respect
27:59
he basically says the equivalent of if
28:01
you’re black
28:02
um and what was it like if you’re if
28:04
you’re not going for joe bye and you’re
28:06
not black
28:06
yeah he does that kind of with the with
28:08
this group of people
28:10
yeah absolutely um let me see if i can
28:13
find
28:14
and then we should make sure we talk um
28:16
briefly about the media responses which
28:18
is just
28:19
stunning we should and i see some people
28:21
who want us to talk about asd too i’m
28:22
not sure if we wanna
28:23
get into that so i think it might be at
28:25
105.
28:26
um this is when he’s going he’s going
28:28
out on sherlin eiffel about how
28:30
he’s been talking about this stuff
28:31
longer than her
28:33
and i think that might be i think that
28:35
might be the section that we’re talking
28:37
about
28:42
black farmers be able to own their own
28:44
property jesus christ
28:46
it’s so offensive to like go into speech
28:48
mode when you’re talking to people
28:50
like this is supposed to be discussion
28:52
right with experts we’re on the same
28:55
exact page the same exact page
28:58
we talked about closing away the the
29:01
racial
29:02
wealth gap that’s the single biggest
29:05
thing i want to get done
29:06
it’s the ultimate equalizer no matter
29:09
what else happens
29:10
because i plan on spending over 15
29:13
billion dollars
29:14
to provide for opportunity for young
29:16
black entrepreneurs
29:17
to get them off the ground black farmers
29:20
to be able to own their own property
29:22
young people being able to get their
29:23
first 15 000 bucks
29:25
down payment on a home making sure that
29:28
they have an opportunity
29:29
to gain wealth we can do all the rest of
29:32
this unless the black community is able
29:34
to make up the wealth gap
29:36
in my humble opinion is real trouble
29:39
i support same day the race rachel
29:43
was the problem for 25
29:46
years as a united states senator
29:49
before cheryl and you were even involved
29:52
i got it and i started off i’m much
29:54
older than you
29:55
that’s why i got involved in politics
29:57
the assault on the black vote
29:59
and voting rights across the nation has
30:02
never
30:03
been more ugly than it is today
30:06
you got to go all the way back to the
30:08
original jim crow to get where this guy
30:10
is
30:11
if in case you haven’t looked we have
30:12
the largest voting right
30:14
kristin my operation 1 000
30:18
lawyers bigger than you or anybody else
30:20
out there on voting rights i’d have more
30:22
lawyers than that
30:23
at least 1 000.
30:29
i want you to know i understand this
30:32
i know look at the 38 cases that have
30:34
brought against
30:35
my being president of the united states
30:38
all about phony phony actions
30:43
and so i think there should be same-day
30:45
registration
30:46
automatic voting rights i’ve been
30:49
pushing and i got
30:51
a number of people to contribute
30:52
significantly to the effort down in
30:54
florida
30:55
to make sure that that that federal
30:58
um prisoners who are pre-prisoners are
31:01
served their time
31:02
have every single right restored to them
31:06
that’s been my position before was
31:07
anybody else’s position
31:09
i’ve been out pushing that in addition
31:11
to that i think it’s really important
31:14
that no one goes to prison
31:17
for a drug offense really nobody change
31:20
they go into rehabilitation how is this
31:23
rehabilitation
31:24
that’s we should be building yeah with
31:26
patient centers not
31:27
more prisons i have a i have a 20
31:30
billion dollar effort that i’m proposing
31:32
to get states to change their
31:36
sentencing guidelines so that there’s no
31:38
more mandatory sentences across the
31:40
board
31:42
in addition to that we’re talking about
31:44
having diversity hiring in every agency
31:46
i promise you that is going to happen
31:49
we’re just getting started here
31:51
police reform judicial reform look
31:55
you know when i was if you notice when i
31:57
was chairman of the judiciary committee
31:58
and when i was advising the president
32:00
who did we get on the court
32:03
we got on a woman who worked for me
32:05
became a member of the supreme court
32:07
another woman who was a leading hispanic
32:10
in america and no one paid attention to
32:12
is on the court no one paid attention
32:16
we found her i’ve been really pro-civil
32:19
rights
32:20
judges clarence thompson across the
32:22
board and i like you
32:24
the idea kristin that we have to
32:26
everybody has to be a prosecutor
32:28
i’m a public defender when i’m president
32:30
of the united states of america
32:32
with the public defenders federal
32:35
defenders get paid the same as federal
32:37
prosecutors
32:38
so sherlock
32:41
i guess earlier trying to say here that
32:42
the federal judiciary has been taken
32:44
over by prosecutors
32:45
and it’s funny because obviously kamala
32:48
harris is california’s top cop by her
32:50
own description
32:51
and it was you want to be able to see
32:54
their faces more clearly because cheryl
32:55
and eiffel it seemed almost like she was
32:57
throwing a little shade
32:58
saying you know it’s irresponsible that
33:00
we have so many prosecutors it seems to
33:02
be almost a requirement to be a
33:03
prosecutor be on the federal bench we
33:04
need to support
33:06
public defenders you were a public
33:07
defender and really goading him on
33:09
and so he clearly liked that because
33:11
that was like 20 minutes ago and he’s
33:13
bringing it back up again
33:14
meanwhile calm was just sitting there oh
33:17
my god
33:18
twiddling your thumbs wow so i don’t
33:20
know how much more
33:21
of this you want to do at 109
33:24
he does the whole i’m the first person
33:26
of color to talk about racial
33:27
disparities bit
33:28
that people have been playing yeah and
33:31
and covet i’m sorry i’m the first person
33:33
sorry not of color
33:34
my bad but i’m the first person to talk
33:36
about racial disparities in kovid
33:38
um and i know that because uh my white
33:41
mayor friend
33:41
called and told me okay let’s go what is
33:45
it 109. everything
33:55
exist because of racial discrimination
33:58
and miss campbell that’s what this is
34:00
all about
34:01
making sure that you may remember i’m
34:04
the first person black or white
34:06
who called attention to the fact that
34:08
you were finding that
34:09
there was the the rate of people who
34:11
were african-americans are dying was
34:13
three times that of
34:14
of of white people that’s because a
34:16
friend of mine a white guy who happens
34:17
to be
34:18
as you well know derek the mayor of the
34:20
city of detroit
34:21
called me to tell me about it i insisted
34:24
that we keep a record on everything that
34:26
happened since then
34:27
guys guess what i’m saying guys do we
34:29
have i mean i i wish we had a research
34:31
team to cut into quotes of other people
34:33
talking about this issue before he did
34:35
i mean also the idea that it should give
34:37
us confidence that
34:39
that kind of really necessary
34:40
information is getting out there and
34:42
trickling up to the top because
34:44
a white guy who’s the mayor of detroit
34:45
who happens to be my friend got me on
34:47
the phone and talked to me about it like
34:48
cdc
34:49
much like is there anybody else
34:53
in the channels of information flow who
34:56
you can rely on
34:57
than this kind of ad hoc network um
35:01
that bob gold died because he would have
35:03
overstood this
35:06
um a little bit he’s about to get into
35:08
the the clip
35:10
um dude he had been leaned on to
35:13
about appointing more black people and
35:15
so he gives his response about why he
35:17
cannot tell you about who it is
35:19
at this moment please tell me he’s
35:21
standing literally behind kamala
35:23
what i say the hard part here is i’m
35:26
going to have a lot of trouble we’re
35:28
going to have a lot of trouble
35:29
getting a lot of this done with this
35:30
congress and so the question
35:33
is for example you know i’m going to be
35:36
appointing
35:37
at least and i’m you know look the
35:39
reason i’m not telling you
35:41
who the other black made me cabinet
35:43
positions i’m going to appoint
35:44
are because it’ll get out and guess what
35:47
i can’t defend them they’re going to be
35:48
out there
35:49
by themselves without any defense before
35:52
their name
35:53
they’re going to get ripped to shreds
35:55
that’s why i’m going to wait
35:56
you will be pleased i believe you will
35:59
be pleased to see
36:00
major there will be more
36:02
african-americans and major positions
36:04
within a cabinet and major spots and
36:07
more hispanics in major spots
36:09
than ever in american history you know
36:11
what i don’t understand about that
36:12
i promised you that i would get if it
36:14
were before an election or something
36:16
for example what’s he waiting for what
36:18
is it gonna be
36:19
that they will be safe from public
36:20
criticism
36:22
you know he’s he’s president now i mean
36:24
he won so
36:26
what is it he thinks that if you can do
36:28
it closer to inauguration then what
36:30
we won’t talk about it but it’s it’ll be
36:32
set in stone
36:33
after georgia i guess his thing is after
36:35
georgia well that would be
36:36
of import for someone like tom vilsack
36:38
who’s already been announced
36:40
i don’t know i mean if you want to have
36:42
to run to the bathroom
36:44
okay sorry you want to keep um do you
36:46
want to take some questions
36:48
oh sure i was not planned my uh yeah
36:51
yeah
36:52
okay all right i’m gonna uh should i
36:54
close the square i wish i could
36:56
sure should i just scroll down into the
36:58
chat and look at what people are saying
36:59
yeah i’m gonna pop okay then on i’ll
37:02
keep do you want this on or just you
37:04
i’ll keep it this way yeah this is this
37:05
is fine okay
37:07
so i’m looking at the chat i’m scrolling
37:11
i don’t see a ton of questions
37:14
uh when’s door coming on i don’t know
37:19
i’m not sure about that that’s katie’s
37:21
department
37:24
um we’re going to talk about asc sit
37:26
tight we are getting there
37:29
i just was i’ve this this stuff has been
37:31
driving me crazy and when i was watching
37:33
roland martin
37:34
and they were acting as though the full
37:36
video isn’t out there
37:38
and claiming that it was somehow altered
37:41
uh
37:41
in some way it was making me nuts okay
37:44
who’s
37:45
burns hey hoot hoot biden shouting hurts
37:47
my ears but gotta love he’s at his most
37:49
passionate and telling people you can’t
37:51
have nice things or talking about
37:52
himself
37:55
i don’t see the lie you know it’s
37:58
it’s hard to put into words and i’m wary
38:00
i i don’t want to be seen as
38:02
kind of like knifing in the back or like
38:05
twisting the knifeness in or anything
38:07
i’m not so that i’m rooting against him
38:09
per se but it’s
38:10
when no one else is willing to leverage
38:13
even the most moderate criticism of the
38:14
guy and you see these kind of like
38:17
blatant errors and blatant missteps that
38:19
would be a whole new cycle for any other
38:21
candidate
38:22
i think it forces us to go harder in the
38:25
paint as it were than we might otherwise
38:27
and you know i don’t know man
38:31
um did i skip any others
38:37
uh talk about jay jackson asd yeah we’re
38:39
gonna do it we’re gonna do it
38:41
love you guys too um
38:46
when will the progressive media unite
38:47
and call upon the real base to rise up
38:49
and demand with one
38:50
voice medicare for all
38:53
you know we recorded an episode of bad
38:55
faith today with two comedians who i
38:57
really like and respect but who aren’t
38:59
like big political
39:00
people and i asked them you know
39:04
what do you think is going on like as
39:06
someone who’s more of a normie
39:08
how do you as an outsider how do you
39:09
perceive this in fighting between
39:11
the left and the more moderate ring or
39:13
conservative wing of the democratic
39:14
party
39:15
do you think this is gonna be reflected
39:18
in the comedy that comes out going
39:20
forward are we gonna still just get all
39:21
this trump as bad stuff
39:25
i i don’t know i i think that the people
39:28
are with us they were very receptive
39:29
they liked the ideas like the politics
39:31
but
39:31
it was a star trek theme themed episode
39:33
and we’re talking about expanding
39:35
using star trek and how sci-fi can
39:36
expand the realm of what’s possible what
39:38
people believe are pop
39:39
is possible and it’s like they’re there
39:42
we’ve already done so much of that work
39:43
bernie sanders has already done so much
39:45
of that work the polls are with us like
39:47
they’re with us in so many respects but
39:49
there’s just some spark that’s missing
39:51
and maybe it’s the spark that sarah
39:53
nelson was talking about on on
39:54
thursday’s episode yesterday’s episode
39:57
um that people just really need to
40:00
believe that
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a different kind of action can help that
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you know withholding labor can be the
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thing that gets people’s attention that
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protesting on the streets isn’t as
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effective as protesting in front of the
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homes or offices of the representatives
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who are actually withholding aid
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is more effective you know i don’t know
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um
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brianna what are your thoughts on nina
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writing as a dim should she run as an
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independent
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you know i think that we all understand
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the need
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for a third party and senator turner has
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been very supportive of the people’s
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movement
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it’s a somewhat different question of
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whether or not
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you can be more effective and at this
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i think senator turner’s choice is being
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driven by the fact that the seat in her
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home district is opening up
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and it feels like it would be a missed
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opportunity frankly to not
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go for that it’s not like she randomly
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is you know picking some
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house seat in some random district it is
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her home district it is a seat in
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cleveland and a community
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that she is known in and loved in
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and i think we all understand the value
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of having squad members in the squad
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growing the whole reason we’re even
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having this conversation about
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the jimmy dore theory of how they should
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withhold their votes um
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uh and threaten not to you know make
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nancy pelosi speaker again unless they
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put medicare for all to a floor vote
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is because they have more progressives
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more leftists than they do the margin
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between
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um democrats and republicans right they
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need them to make a majority
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so you know obviously there’s utility to
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having people
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democrats in congress if you’re asking
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why she didn’t just run
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on that seat as an eye
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i don’t know i don’t know it’s an
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interesting question
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um oh how do i do how do i look at this
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does it just take longer than two to
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three election cycles to roll back
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40 years of neolib neocon alliances
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you know that’s a really interesting
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historical question and i’d like to know
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someone who
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is more of a new deal expert to say you
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know
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how do you know what were the steps to
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get from the gilded age to the
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new deal because it wasn’t that long
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chronologically
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um
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and you know i’d like to think that with
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technology and everything we have today
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that things can move a lot more quickly
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than
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they have in the past information can
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spread a lot faster and minds can change
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more quickly
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but maybe that’s my own um self-soothing
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optimism
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hey katie come back okay
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sorry about that so what were we talking
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about what’s
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what did i miss um i answered a question
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about nina turner writing as an
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independent
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and this question about how long it
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takes to get rid of
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entrenched neoliberalism oh
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good question um well
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not sure about that but do we want to
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talk
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uh quickly about the response to this in
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terms of
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yeah let’s let’s talk about the response
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with the aoc thing too
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yes yes yes yes okay so which one should
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we start with let’s start with um
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let’s start with the response of this
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yeah
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this this is huge i mean there’s like
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four or five different reported stories
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that could come out of this right
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everyone cares about georgia there’s
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implications for georgia
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there are obvious racial implications
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the the optics of joe biden yelling at
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some of the most
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you know high-ranking black luminaries
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in america
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is not good um we haven’t even hit some
43:48
of the big ticket
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clips that have kind of been fleshed out
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in the media right now that i’m not aoc
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but i get more done than anybody you
43:55
know
43:56
the whole thing about how you’re going
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to have to work with hispanics because
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there’s more of them than you which is
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obviously factually true but like
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said in a way like there’s like a
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zero-sum game and like
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racial uh fisticuffs that have to be
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done to see who can come out on top
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um and obviously the whole executive
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order thing which we’ve touched on
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but in spite of all of that
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the the kind of black media
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intelligentsia has been
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largely silent on this today the
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media elite media class in its entirety
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has been largely silent on this today
44:30
into this one that they’ve spoken up and
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has been
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in defense of joe biden and critical of
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the intercept
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casting aspersions on the integrity of
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the outlet
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um and then april ryan in particular
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who is one of the most known white house
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reporters
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we have right who has gotten a lot of
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attention because she’s been the
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lightning rod for some racist comments
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from donald trump
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which is not good she doesn’t deserve
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that
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um but she came out today
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um are we gonna throw the tweet up or
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should i just read it
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yeah can you read it um okay or i can
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find it let me see i can read it
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yeah i dm’ed it to you
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so she said um uh
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so someone tweeted um she said
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it someone said it uh who tweeted that
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well first first first we had an
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inclination that she was
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opposed to it um because she tweeted
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the question is who uh who leaked this
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and why i’m also told by a rights leader
45:36
in that meeting that joe biden was being
45:37
more passionate than defensive
45:39
can’t wait to hear what the biden camp
45:41
has to say this is a reporter right so
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her
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her first instinct is to say oh here are
45:46
all these stories i should report out
45:47
let me follow up on whether any of this
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stuff is true
45:50
let me use what i learned from this
45:51
meeting to press the campaign on what
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its picks are actually going to be
45:55
and does it have concerns about how tom
45:57
bilsick is going to fly in georgia and
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doesn’t have a plan
46:00
to meet those concerns off at the pass
46:02
and you know can i talk to these
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civil rights leaders and see if they had
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concerns and that’s why maybe one of
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them leaked it
46:09
you know like who knows no her
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her her her investigative instinct just
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to say
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can’t wait to see what the biting cam
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has to say that’s embarrassing it’s so
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embarrassing
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and so then most kind of hilariously
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um a leftist laid some bait
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so um this guy edward
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angueso who writes for jacobin
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apparently
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i’m not familiar with him but i’m
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definitely gonna do a deep dive now
46:40
because
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he quote tweeted april ryan and wrote it
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is irresponsible and sets a dangerous
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precedent for journalists covering the
46:46
incoming administration to be able to
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use secretly recorded conversations in
46:50
their stories
46:51
to parse out biden’s thoughts and
46:52
anticipate his policy commitments you
46:54
must go through proper channels
46:56
so he was being tongue-in-cheek this was
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an ironic tweet
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okay phew he was if this is my mom
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he’s great he writes that um the new
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republic
47:06
okay he seems but april ryan first
47:10
responded to him
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agreed and then seemed to like want to
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highlight
47:15
this take even more because she agreed
47:16
with it so hard
47:18
um and ended up quote tweeting it
47:22
um and saying you hit the nail on the
47:23
head this is not good at all
47:25
she felt emboldened by someone who is
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being sarcastic
47:29
so not only is that the idea that a
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journalist shouldn’t be interested in
47:34
information that is a utility to the
47:37
public and in the public interest
47:39
coming out this isn’t i mean obviously
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i’m supportive
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of you know wikileaks and
47:46
edward snowden and julian assange and
47:48
like i’m supportive of those which are
47:50
even closer to the line but this is just
47:53
this is not espionage okay like this
47:55
isn’t someone defending trump that way
47:58
exactly and here’s the thing april ryan
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has been on the other side of this issue
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so um she
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uh has tweeted you know cnn obtains
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trump cohen tape
48:10
like eagerly awaiting the results of
48:12
that um she tweeted who is eagerly
48:14
waiting to hear the audio tapes of
48:15
melania trump talking about
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talking bad about the real donald trump
48:19
ivanka trump and the rest of his adult
48:20
children
48:21
i’m ready exclamation point
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well you want to i have to again i have
48:28
a
48:29
a friend visiting me uh this actually
48:31
sounds much more exciting than it is
48:34
there’s a little person here and um
48:37
so i have to get off but we could
48:38
continue this and this for us bree this
48:40
was still almost an hour for us this is
48:42
like
48:42
it’s like five minutes for most people
48:44
we were gonna we were like do a 15 to 30
48:46
minute thing
48:47
but you’re right i’m sorry right i do
48:50
this with you all the time but you want
48:51
to stay on you can just
48:52
you can hijack the stream i can let you
48:54
what happens when i
48:55
how do i control it uh well that’s the
48:58
thing you can’t really control it but i
48:59
can check in
49:00
you can go with for as long as you want
49:01
you just no that’s okay i would actually
49:03
do is just figure out twitch
49:05
i’ll figure it out
49:09
anyway thank you for indulging me i was
49:10
like all my things we never talked about
49:12
the asc justin jackson thing
49:15
let’s come back to it tomorrow yeah okay
49:17
so guys i’m gonna we’ll tweet out when
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tomorrow but when it’s not an empty
49:20
promise we’re gonna make
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time tomorrow okay right
49:25
yeah we’ll get into this more loudly and
49:26
more yeah we can have our
49:28
we can we can make it brunch time do
49:30
drinks or we’ll do the evening who are
49:31
we going right
49:32
brunch at this rate i don’t know that
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i’m going to be awake before 2
49:35
p.m it’s a saturday yeah saturday that’s
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the day we’re supposed to
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i mean both of those days i think
49:41
depending on the population
49:43
yeah our labor forefathers worked hard
49:45
for that saturday
49:47
um okay so guys everyone follow brie
49:50
you’ll see us
49:51
sometime tomorrow we’ll put a link in
49:52
this to when we’re doing it
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and uh yeah this is fun
49:58
to do an emergency reaction so everyone
50:00
else is on notice and
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maybe we’ll get a little yeah we’ll do a
50:02
little discussion about aoc
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tomorrow yeah notice progress squad
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squad goals squad goals
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all right good night katie good night
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everyone