What Rights Do You Have To Stop Cops From Entering Your House – Warrants, Consent, Exigency
When can Cops enter your home? What cops use to enter your home. I discuss how Gov or Law Enforcement can gain entry to your home and under what circumstances they can enter your home without your consent or approval.
I have a video about why you should not talk to cops that I encourage all people to watch. Nothing good comes from talking or cooperating with the Gov. Once Gov is involved it can only down hill from there. Once Gov gets an inch of control they will always want more and you will end up playing catch up and wishing Gov was never invovled. Here is the link to that video:
I have said many times when I was a cop – It is better if you don’t make a statement, don’t talk to me and remain silent. There is an attitude that if you remain silent or refuse to talk, then you must be guilty or have something to hide. In the current adversarial relationship between citizens and the Government, protecting yourself should be your primary concern.
Nothing you say can help you and can only be used against you. Police work for the Government and politicians, they have careers to protect, policy to follow, they make mistakes, they misremember things, some things are accidentally left out of reports, their memory is not perfect and many other factors can come into play and you may become collateral damage during an investigation. The old saying, Truth is what the cop puts in the police report, is true to many.
Any lawyer will tell you DO NOT talk to the cops or give any statements. Anything you say can be misunderstood, taken wrong, repeated wrong, remembered wrong, important parts can be forgotten, confused or intentionally withheld by the Government, especially if it hurts their case.
This video is a Lawyer that explains this very well. Invest 20 minutes and watch this video where this experienced Lawyer gives specific reasons on why you should not talk to the Police.
As a law abiding citizen I appreciate the information but the behavior you described of cops today is very concerning. What happened to protect and serve. You see more and more police departments looking more and more like military operatives and that is scary even as a law abiding citizen.
If this is true–that cops can create exigent circumstances on a whim and thus can break in without consequences–the system needs to CHANGE. One of the important critical costs of individual liberty that an individual having a right to be secure in his person is that COPS DO NOT HAVE THE AUTOMATIC RIGHT TO WIN unless they can prove it to a judge who would provide a warrant. A person’s home is his sanctuary. Period. If cops want to snag someone who’s in his house and don’t have a warrant, starve him out. Don’t break in. If someone’s life is in danger, cops don’t have–that is, should not have–the limitless power to resolve the situation, not at the cost of one’s right to be secure. To argue otherwise is to give absolute power to a police state, which I’m beginning to realize we may have already become, rather than a nation governed by individual rights. But the greater crime is in the courts/”justice” system that have successfully absolved such tyrannical violations of the 4th amendment and given what was said in this video the backing of precedent. Checks and balances clearly end at the courts, a tragedy that is ultimately causing the implosion of our nation. Granted, the stories this guy shares are examples of where having a police state worked out nicely.
So you can do nothing wrong but be a victim of impatient cops attending a bogus call, not even get charged, and still receive a record? “Land of the free” The more I learn about our legal system the more I despise it, it’s despicable and constantly stacked against the citizens. A cop will give you a record just because he didn’t want to have to justify his unneeded use of force on paper. What the hell…
most everything you’ve said is why law enforcement has very low respect. I had a DA tell me Law Enforcement is not an honorable job anymore.
“There’s a difference between kicking a door and preventing you from closing the door” that right there tells you everything you need to know about cops.
by the way I am law abiding citizen and a veteran … I believe in the constitution to the fullest! officers infringe on that daily! a good friend of mine that I severed with just became a officer in texas … his class skipped over learning bout the constitution … umm… that’s an issue for me … how many agencies do that !? isn’t the fucking constitution the basis for our laws ,rights, way of life ?Officer, what you’re saying is that police will, after violently harming an innocent person, will arrest them, book them, and give them a criminal record so they don’t look bad? That’s what I would call a disgusting and evil action. That, and the victim of those perpetrators would also have a good claim for a 1983 suit.An attorney named Dale Carson wrote a book called “Arrestproof Yourself”. In that book he stresses that when ever you deal with government and law enforcement to ‘Shut the hell up”. To never EVER start talking to them. That they are NOT your friends. That book should be required reading for every citizen of this country. The information contained would help to put the kabash on a lot of governmental and law enforcement abuse. Most police I know are pretty good people just doing a dirty job. But I have met a few who I am amazed ever passed a psych test.I appreciate your information, except the part where you laugh about busting in the wrong house and you told the lady to have the city pay for the damage. Disgusting! How would you feel if someone busted into your home and just said, “oops, I made a mistake. Sorry“? Yeah, that’s what I thought. This is why a lot of people hate the cops. The “I can do anything I want because I’m a cop and my union and the city will protect me” Is absolutely disgusting.if this does not convince you that you live in a police state I don’t know what willThis man swore an oath to uphold the constitution? Let that sink in a while.long story short…sounds like they can make up any excuse and enter your house without your consent or warrantYou should have explained how cops trick people into letting them in because the cops don’t specify what kind of warrant, a search warrant and an arrest warrant are two entirely different things. And how an arrest warrant doesn’t give any cop entry into a home unless the cop just saw the person enter the home, or the cop sees the person in the home. Cops will yell, ‘we have a warrant’, but they don’t say it’s an arrest warrant, trying to scare people into opening their door, when they don’t have to open the door. Cops rely on people being ignorant of the law, due process, procedure, etc. If cops say they have a search warrant, they have to show it to you upon request, and it has to have a penned signature by a judge, and it needs to be very specific about where and why. If it has 1 error, then it should be considered null and void.
- I heard somebody say help so I kicked the door in.
- I saw somebody moving the house so I kicked the door in. I
- thought I smelt smoke so I kicked your door in.
- It was cold outside so I kicked your door in.Sounds like a warrant is pretty useless to me when all you have to do is make up some bull shit excuse to get in. Never ever talk to the cops they are not your friend…>> they can lie and they ain’t gonna believe you.80% of police work is causing people grief over b.s., to collect fines. Policing for profit. 20% is positive and necessary .Also your “goofy” presentation style and apparently cavalier attitude toward the violation of citizen rights seems to be in line with the way law enforcement treats citizens these days: with disrespectI love this guy’s stories! Also, thanks for keeping it real with us citizen’s who ate struggling to not offend authorities to the point of incarceration due to wounded ego vs. Expecting privacy of self and property as guaranteed under the 4th amendment.It’s absolutely a violation of our civil rights to force entry while you wait for a warrant. A homeowner would be perfectly justified to defend themselves against such use of unlawful force. A warrant is the ONLY justification for you to force entry. An officer is sworn to defend our rights as guaranteed by the Constitution. If an officer violates that oath by failing to follow proper due process, he is no longer properly acting as the enforcement arm of the law. At any point that the officer violates his duty to defend and uphold our rights as guaranteed by the Constitution, he ceases to be Constitutionally justified in his actions, and is subject to the same counteracting use of force that any common criminal would be. We have to protect the absolute fail-safe right of We the People to use defensive force against ANY intruder who does not have a proper warrant. Otherwise, you end up with unscrupulous officers using loopholes such as the ones described in the video to enter unlawfully.Great video and great info. The statements about the officers making decisions to cover their own butts instead of following the law and protecting the rights of the citizens are very sad but true. Also the statements about the cops having a chip on their their shoulder for anyone you does not follow all their “orders” whether those orders are lawfully given or not. People with that sort of ego should not be given a badge and gun. I think we are all going to have to start wearing body cameras to have evidence when these behaviors happen. Unfortunately, it is too easy for an officer to lie about what happened to make it sound like he was right. The DA and the judge will tend to believe him, not the citizen. So the citizen gets screwed.Well since everyone is sharing, I guess I should too… I lived in Hamilton Ohio with my wife and first child. I was playing on my Xbox 360 and had been for about 2 and a half hrs and suddenly heard someone talking at my window,” are you sure? This guy is sitting here playing a video game.” I instantly tensed up not knowing what was about to happen. I then heard a knock at the door and got up to go answer it. I asked through the door who it was and they said HPD can you open the door so we can speak with you for a moment. So being only 19 at the time I was unaware of my rights regarding entry to my home, I opened the door to have a word and was instantly bulled back by a police officer and pushed on to my ottoman and told not to stand up while being held at gunpoint. 6 other police officers rushed in behind him in swat garb with assault rifles and started searching the house. I asked what was going on and the on who was standing over me with his pistol told me they received a call that a woman was being held hostage by a man with an assault rifles, then he asked me if I had any firearms and if there was anyone else in the house. I told him about my dad’s shotgun in the next room in a locked case and that my wife and daughter were upstairs sleeping. Two officers then went upstairs to wake up my wife and daughter to “make sure they were ok” then promptly left. If that isn’t messed up and illegal idk what is. Note: this was probably around 2-3 amWe’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing.What about the classic “You open the door and the cop sticks their foot in the door so you can’t close it, tactic.” Why did you leave that part out?“I smell marijuana.” How does someone overcome this since cops are allowed to lie?>> Cops are not allowed lie about facts that develop their PC.>> @S Campbell But, they do.At the beginning you list only 3 ways a cop can enter someone’s house. You left out the one most often used.COERCIONcoercion noun plural noun: coercionsThe practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.
>> @Ricky Mellottsr “either let us in now or we are going to come back with a warrant. if you make us get a warrant you are going to make us mad. when we return with that warrant we will search and destroy your property.” and they will destroy everything.I appreciate straight-talkers, regardless of what they’re saying or their message. Thank you for your prospective, insight, and this conveyance. It was informative and clear.So the key is too keep them off the property and keep the door closed. Also by federal law cops cuffing and not arresting you is a battery. Don’t believe me, ask a lawyer. He is also just admitted HE IS A DIRTY COP by saying he books people that he knows haven’t committed a crime and seeing other do so because he and them don’t want to have to justify their use of force. He is exactly what’s wrong with the cops in the US.Thanks for your information and it’s pretty accurate as far as I can tell. You at least seem like a stand up guy and sincere on your points that are well taken. Nowadays the disconnect comes in when cops over-step their bounds then double down with petty retaliation tactics.THEN the citizens seem to have NO recourse when it’s plain that the cops were wrong and it’s even plain that the “revenge” tactic was done for obvious reasons. Plain and simple fact is ordinary citizens do not like being treated and talked to like they are ALREADY in prison. (Very unprofessional) All due respect to the job, but not to some of these bullies and thugs that we ALL know are out there. Thanks in advance for giving me this platform to air my personal opinion.In other words, The Fourth Amendment protects nothing.How is anyone supposed to know that the person banging on your door is an actual cop?6:59 “When your working on an exigency situation to get in someones house, Its up to the cop to create that exigency” I have a problem with a lot of this. It is not illegal to not answer the door, even if its a cop. Its not illegal to no not acknowledge the cops even if they see you inside not answering them. I get it, someone called…. Talk to the caller, if they dont say anything that gives exigency to the situation in and of itself then aww well. Do not pass go. Stay the fuck outta my house. I’m in here getting paranoid like a motherfu**er and your killin my buzz from these brownies my aunt made me for ChristmasI found this video to be very disturbing. Something about this video seems to trivializing immorality. First of all, a cop should be intelligent enough and careful enough to NOT go to the WRONG house, especially knowing what the consequences could be. A person could be running in their house for any reason. Perhaps a person is not suitably dressed and runs to put something decent on. Normally people (myself included) don’t expect someone to kick the door of the house so they might hang around the house looking any kind of way. As far as exigency, I need clarification. Is exigency always started for the benefit of the resident or can it be used for other reasons? A neighbor’s call might indicate exigency or not mean anything, especially when people call cops on their neighbors out of spite. The purpose of a welfare check is to benefit the person who’s welfare is at risk. The person who the call was made for or didn’t instantly answer the door should not be abused because “he’s a jerk that pissed off one of our people…” What does that have to do with the welfare of the victim? At this point, the issue is ego and not ‘serving and protecting’. This video was informative but left me feeling very sad and with a little less respect for the police, because as I said it trivialized certain things that don’t need to happen.
The Fourth Amendment:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.I believe in warrants.Yet when cops use warrants and they find nothing.They should be held to accountability.This does not happen now. This is where law on warrants should be changed. Such as there should be folks there with cops , that are trust worthy to watch every move of the cops. Cops are not trust worthy. This is a added accountability for cops to try to keep them honest. If cops are caught by these mediators planting stuff. Then the cops are automatically given twenty years. with out parole. When warrants are issued for wrong address.Then these cops who bust down the door and terrorize a family.Then these thugs should be charged with terroristic tactics. These terrorist should be charged with a felony with at least a minimum of 25 years to life in prison. Cops by nature are dishonest and natural born liars. The system protects these terrorist. Warrant system and blue privelege is what also protects these criminals. Cops are not human they are animals.
You’re laughing about entering the wrong residence. You’re laughing about walking away as the lady is frantic because you broke her window. You’re laughing as you say you tell her the city will pay for it. Then, later in your discussion, you joke about entering someone’s residence after chasing the “large black man”, drawing your weapon and scaring the daylights out of innocent people. I’m sure it DEFINITELY wasn’t funny then. Why do you think it’s funny later? What’s funny about that?This is the kind of logic that’s what’s wrong with this country. You LEO’s somehow believe you’re justified in your actions – despite you ADMITTING you messed up or, later, aiming your weapon at innocent people. WTF?! There’s never been another time in America where citizens have a strong dislike and distrust for police than there is now. Do you really believe talking about your past transgressions in this manner is going to help? And just because someone is a “jerk” to LEO’s doesn’t excuse illegal action. It’s this mindset that somehow, because you have a badge and you’ve been disrespected, you have the “right” to infringe on the rights of others. I do applaud you for educating the public regarding your train of thought and a glimpse into the mind of a LEO. It IS helpful. I just think you could’ve handled it better.>> not true, cops lose their job very easy for misconduct and lying, but they have be caught red handed and with video that is getting easier.>> even with clear video of them committing crimes like murder and other major violation of the law, some of them only get a light sentence, that amounts to nothing, and some time no jail time just fired ..
“Most Texans don’t go 60 they go 80”. So he’s getting punished for not going over the speed limit!?!? This is a joke
“Isn’t 60 safer than 70” “Well actually you’re suppose to go the posted speed” “No, that’s the maximum” Holy shit that man came with the factual statements lol.
Cops: “Why does everyone hate cops?” Also Cops: “You are obeying the law and I don’t like it. I’m going fish for a reason to arrest you.”Imagine being a cop and thinking “Wow, this guy is driving awfully safe… I better make sure he’s not drunk!”9:35 Cop: “Most Texans go 80 in a 70 zone.” Man: “Well, why aren’t you stopping them instead?”
He realized the guy was okay when he talked to him. His ego just wouldn’t let it go.I got stopped for “driving too safe” once. As soon as the officer came over, he asked why I was driving like that. I asked him what he meant. He said I was driving “suspiciously” safe. I facepalmed in front of him and asked him if driving safely was a crime. He didnt say yes, he started beating around the bush by saying “im the one asking questions here”. I stayed silent the rest of the time. I didnt commit any crime and I didnt answer any more questions. He eventually got bored after a few minutes and left“I’m just pulling you over to make sure you are okay.” “You’re okay?” “Cool, here is your warning.“ Fantastic dialogue right there. From what I’ve seen on this channel, open dialogue with a Police Officer isn’t friendly or polite, it’s basically phishing. Who can blame people for only complying with the bare legal requirements when engaged with a Police Officer? Any further and you are a successful mark. When did Police Officers become street magicians? “Look here, see how you are a lawful citizen? Bam, now you’re a criminal, hands up.” Sad and appalling.
What erodes our confidence in officers is knowing that the good ones know what the bad ones do and are doing, but won’t blow the whistle because of the brotherhood.
this is the equivalent of pulling somebody over for coming to a full complete stop at a stop sign. nobody stops at a stop sign, it was suspicious behavior.it’s so weird how cops spend most of their time giving our bs tickets and harassing people when they could be focusing on things that actually matter like, actual criminal things.I thought he was doing a reasonable stop. Then he said “I’m giving you a warning, please give me your papers”. And like that, a reasonable stop turns into a power trip. You made your point, let the man get on with his life.
“Why were you driving 60 in a 75?” “Because I saw you behind me and I’m terrified of stupid, unreasonable cops.”“Your behavior is consistent with someone who’s intoxicated” He saw he wasn’t intoxicated. Thats where the stop should’ve ended.
This is literally the meme of, “Do you know why I pulled you over?” “But officer, I was going the speed limit!” “Exactly. Go 10 miles over the speed limit or go back to whatever state you’re from.”One of the things that my driving instructor told me, that has stuck with me decades later is this: “The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed you can travel, under absolutely PERFECT driving conditions”. Meaning, if it’s raining, traffic is heavily congested or any other number of factors, you should probably be going UNDER the max speed.In 1994, I learned firsthand how some police departments definitely have a “quota”. I had been severely injured in a car accident the year before and had been unable to work. The tags on my truck expired but I didn’t have the money to renew them. I was literally on my way to my first job interview in more than 10 months when I was pulled over for expired plates on the 29th of May. I explained the situation, but the cop was unsympathetic. He wrote me up for four tickets, three of which were centered around the expired tags. The fourth was for not wearing a seatbelt. I went to court and when the judge read off the tickets, one after another, everyone in the courtroom was snickering. When she was done she simply asked if I would like to speak to a deputy D.A. I said yes. He was a very nice young man who gave me a chance to explain the circumstances, and I was able to show him that I’d since renewed my tags after getting the job (despite being late to the interview). He said that three tickets for one minor offense was unreasonable and dismissed them. Then he asked, “Tell me honestly, were you wearing your seatbelt?” I said, “No, I wasn’t. “ He thanked me for my honesty and charged me $10 for that. Yeah, quotas absolutely do exist and they shouldn’t.“Where ya headed?” “That way” “Where ya coming from?” “The other way.”
It is not unlawful for the police to interrogate you during a stop or even a regular conversation. If the driver would have known at the time ; he could have stopped the interrogation cold. At anytime you can withdraw your implied consent to be interrogated without an attorney present. He was under no obligation to provide the officer details not pertaining to the traffic stop. He should have invoked the 5th.
When police ask you to sit in their patrol car passenger seat they want to better assess if they can smell alcohol and/or get you to say something incriminating, FYI.>> Had an officer do this to me and then change his tune real quick when he saw I’m in the Army. Let me go faster than someone holding a hot potato.
>> When they arrest or ticket someone on active duty, the Army for example will investigate the matter and be in contact with the police department who issued the citation.
Why do cops always ask where you’re headed or where you’re going, as if it’s any of their business or you have to justify or explain your movements to them? I love everything I’ve learned from this channel, and I’ll definitely keep in mind the myriad things I’ve learned in any future dealings I may have with law enforcement.When you hear “I just wanted to make sure you are okay” you know they are gonna harass you for no reason what so everI remember hearing a prosecutor say in court that he would prosecute someone driving 46 mph in a 45 mph speed zone. This makes us distrust the legal system if we are stopped for going too slow.The problem with “your right to silence” is the following. “So, what’s your name ?” “I’m invoking my right to silence.” Officer steps back for a second and thinks to himself, “I am going to get this fuck arrested for something before the day is done, I promise you.“Cop: “You were driving a bit slow. Tell me everything about yourself, then drop your pants”.. Most people, esp. green card holders, do not understand this. Police are intimidating; and a police officer can ruin your life. People will often just comply to avoid any resistance, and can you blame them? I can’t.Cop: “your behavior is consistent of someone who is intoxicated…” Driver: “your behavior is consistent with someone who needs more training…”Driving too slowly impedes traffic and creates a safety hazard. So stop a vehicle in that lane for several minutes. Roadside traffic stops are generally more unsafe than the behavior that caused the stop. Laws need to be changed to require officers to direct drivers to a safe location.4:38 “What brings you to this part of Texas besides that your car broke down?” Does the officer have the right to ask this question? This whole stop is very confusing.They have the right to ask whatever questions they like. They’re just hoping their victims are ignorant enough to answer.Sure he can ask…its a dumb question from any perspective even if the guy was holding up banks on the way and mowing people down GTA style it would still be one of the dumbest and most pointless questions to ask and to repeat the question…..as though it had any real value….beyond stupid.They hope by extending the encounter it may bring other issues to light that they can then investigate for a possible crime.@John Romero Yes, they can ask, but should they? Questions like this are great source of distrust between the police and the public. Questioning reasons why someone is somewhere sounds a lot like you’re not welcome there and creates atmosphere / feeling where people feel they have no right to the freedom of movement. Every time police officer is conducting their business they should also concider PR, how their behavior may affect people’s feelings and their sense of security, freedoms and privacy and ultimately the whole community.That was a Gestapo Nazi cop style question.@Banjong Philaiwan the more I think about it, the more it sounds like a visa question. So I’d be inclined to answer along the lines of “My permanent residence somewhere in Country X brings me to the State of Y” because the “business” / “pleasure” answers aren’t applicable unless you’re visiting country on a visa which is granted for the purpose of either business or pleasure. That’s pretty much my take on it although I’m not sure most cops really understand what it is they’re asking or what the question is for.Guy is driving a rental car and doesn’t want to damage it so drives carefully. What’s the problem with that, officer?I guess this officer doesn’t have elderly drivers in his area, they sometimes drive 60 in a 80 mph zone.Most good drivers take it easy when driving cars they’re not used to. This cop is a nut case.9:36 Cop: Most Texans don’t drive safely under the maximum speed limit, rather they go 80, not 60, on a 70 mph road, so I’m giving you a written warning for driving safely, instead of illegally fast. This sums up why the traffic stop was extremely unreasonable and the warning an abuse of power.I’ve been pulled over for, and I quote, driving so proper for someone in a sporty car it was worrying. He followed me for 15 minutes before pulling me over.That California license plate is perfect prey for quotas, since out of staters rarely contest tickets if they have to take time off and travel for court appearances. Easy revenue.“Do you know why I stopped you?” “Because fighting real crime is hard.”“Damned if you do and damned if you don’t!” Americans deserve better than this type of harassment!The officer actually encouraged the safe driver that he should be going 80 (10 miles over the speed limit), instead of 60 (10 miles under the max which is legal). I was waiting to see if he asked, ‘You’re suggesting I speed, officer?’“What brings you this way?” The dude literally just told you. Is it illegal to have an accent in Texas yet? This cop literally told him he should be breaking the law rather than driving under the limit.Speed limit has no determination on getting pulled over. Most States have laws concerning driving too slowly or too fast and even doing the speed limit they can get you for driving too slow/fast for conditions. What’s all that mean? No matter what there is always an excuse an officer can rely on to pull you over.I hear you on this,When it all boils down they get to go off their feelings and that’s scary,you see deputy douchebag real reason for pulling him over he thought he had a drunker..Here in San Diego, quite few years ago now, a cop hit a pedestrian, and he was speeding a little. It was explained to us serfs that speed limit laws are actually quite flexible, and the officer was doing nothing wrong.The cop is like: “Can you say something illegal? I’m low on my quota.”Man, I got so angry when he kept asking why he was there. The guy was such a sweetheart patiently repeating his answers over and overI was told by multiple NY state trooper pals that driving at the speed limit is very suspicious behavior. They want to see you going 5 to 9 mph over the limit. 10 mph over is too much. Those are strict guidelines that differ greatly from what we were all taught.This exact thing happened to me, I was doing 95 in a 100 Kph zone and the officer said that people typically go 115 or more. I actually asked, “So why did you pull me over rather than someone actually breaking the law?” He then informed me that he could write me a $200 ish ticket, I pointed out that his name would be on the ticket and that would make filing a complaint really easy. He straight up walked away without indicating that the stop was done and just hoped back im his car and drove off. It is also worth noting that as I pointed out the complaint I gestured to my dashcam which wasn’t even set up properly at the time but just the thought that he had been recorded saying he pulled over a person following the laws rather than the ones that were actually breaking them was enough for him to leave without incident. He definitely suspected me of being intoxicated as his questioning reflected that but I very clearly wasn’t and there is no point in prolonging the traffic stop just to try and pretend that he had another reason.>> Him: “I need to pick up my car because it broke down” Cop: “So why are you heading this way” Him: “To pick up my car….”>> Also Cop: But why are you here Him: ???? <Puzzled> to pick up my car from the shop COP: But why are you in my county …..>> Why are you here? Why were you vacationing? Why were you born?This is oddly close to where I live and I love it. Finally displaying how the cops act out here.“does it go on the record” -no in that case, what is the point? if there is no record of the warning, what would happen if another cop stops him for doing the exact same thing again?I love the way you breakdown these stops. I think these worse be an excellent training tool in police academies. Show the video without the voice over, send them home with some work and analysis then breakdown the stop. This as a training tactic would save lives, money and rebuild trust. Thank you.“You’re just gonna get a warning” for not disrupting traffic and driving safely. Understandable have a nice day.🙄 I hate when they say, “I’m trying to make sure you’re ok.” Where he’s going isn’t any of his MF’in business. 🙄Why was he asked to go into the cop car to receive the warning? And I am confused why this wasn’t addressed in the video?A police car tailing you with no lights is an excellent reason to slow down.When the hell does a cop ever ask you to sit in the passenger seat of his car?! I would be sus as hell and probably refuse.After watching a lot of these videos, I have learned you can not win with cops. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.The deputy may not have been “rude” but he was definitely disrespectful.He was being a polite jerk. The man did obey and listen to the cop so that helped. Had he known his rights and laws and challenged the cop who knows. He should file a complaint. That warning shouldn’t be on his record.I agree. It almost like passive aggressiveness, whereby the words are nice but the intent isn’t. You can be politely deprived of your rights and liberty. A bit like a smiling executioner!Now I know why I’m alive. I have always treated police like they are crazy by remaining calm, not challenging them, and allowing them to overreach their authority when dealing with me, the dozen times in my life I’ve dealt with them.He said “I just have to document my stop” Then he tells the man “No, this doesnt go on the record.” Since when was documenting something for the record, not putting it on record? He lied to a man who broke no laws, gave a warning for no reason other than to protect his failed pull over attempt, and looked for other problems in a case where he should have never even made a traffic stop.Damn. Stopping the guy for no reason, interrogating him, even when he responds and explained why he is in that part of town, he keeps fishing. Even asking for the rental agreement. And they wonder why people hate police?I have seen cops ride the rear bumper of a car driving the speed limit forcing them to drive faster. Then they give them a speeding ticket. Small towns in the mid west are notorious for this kind of “law enforcement.” They watch for plates from another state and pounce on them because they know the driver won’t come back to fight the bogus charge.Although we have the right to remain silent, all I’ve ever seen on this channel when it comes to citizens remaining silent just caused more problems. I think he was in the right for cooperating with the officer.That was a prime example of an officer going on desperate fishing expedition . . . and wanting to exert his authority.The frequent braking was what caused the stop. I see this a lot around here and it’s because people drive with two feet. So you’ll see brake lights even during acceleration.This reminds me of the time I was pulled over for driving in the far left lane on the highway. Mind you, the other two lanes were being paved, so it was the only lane left. Rookie cops…Last video I watched on here was two drunk cops getting pulled over. Neither getting charged for being drunk with a firearm and the driver being allowed to go home after being taken to the station….meanwhile this guy gets pulled over and questioned for driving safely….there is something fundamentally wrong with the policing system.A warning is like getting an incorrect answer on a quiz before an exam. There’s a reason this happened; maybe you misread a question, lacked domain knowledge, or maybe you ran out of testing time, et cetera. But it gives you something specific that you and your teach can correct, so you get it right in the future. With this warning for his “driving behavior,” there is no specific item for this man to focus on in order to subsequently avoid another warning or citation. (Perhaps he’s advocating doing 80?).Audit the Audit gets an F, for failing to give this dummy cop the grade he deserves.@Ted Bell I agree the cop deserves a F and I like freedom but refer to my previous comment. The man had a out of state license plate. The cop was hoping the man was intoxicated to search the vehicle. Any large amount of cash would be seized under civil asset forfeiture.@tonyetzu He says what the cop did was questionably legal, which would be up to a court to decide. Based on past casee and current laws ata doesnt find it to be outright illegal. Just because you feel like the cop should get an F doesn’t me he generally should. Again everything was questionable and shady, but he didnt throw things like “it smells like weed” or just start searching the vehicle without consent. That’s why he got the grade.@MrPopo69zkai No need to give the cop credit just for what he didn’t do, you are too eager to give the cop credit just for not doing corrupt things, like searching the vehicle without consent, or shooting the man in the face, etc. You have low standards for Police work. I’m aware of what ATA thought of the interaction, hence my original post. My grade stands- F. Thanks for your input.@Kurt Wetzel you don’t need to be able to go lower than an f. If an officer breaks the law in any way they fail. There are degrees of success but failure is failure.@MrPopo69zkai he never should have stopped the guy for obeying the law (he wasn’t swerving or showing any other signs of impairment), he displays obvious signs of racism (“you’re not from around here boy”, questioning about his background, the prolonged questioning about where he’s going), and he repeatedly lies to the man to create fake justification and prolong the stop. Prolonging the stop is illegal as Ata states in many videos.>> @Jaime Stardust after getting a full description he asks “what brings you this way” and “what brings you to this part of texas”, “most Texans don’t go 60 they go 80”, he does everything except say “we don’t like your kind around here”During my 40 years of operating a motor vehicle across 15 states, I regularly drive under the speed limit for safety reasons but have NEVER been pulled over for it.I’ve actually been pulled over twice in this exact manner, but here in Northern Ontario, Canada. The police officer on both times suspected me of being intoxicated because I was driving slowly (~10km below the posted limit). The first time, it had been raining all afternoon in the fall, and temperatures dropped below freezing and I was driving cautiously as there was ice on the road, and I did not yet have winter tires on. The second time, it was snowing, and we were in town while hauling a very large trailer, and again just trying to be careful.I always thought being a cop would be an exciting job but the more of these I watch it must be deathly boringWhy is the cop asking so many freaking questions? None of that is his business. This is crazy.>> This is standard procedure The mission in asking questions is to find a bigger crime or to later attempt to discredit them through inconsistencies in their story in a potential court case
>> And if you don’t answer it’s suspicious. No winning>> He’s trying to find a reason to search him or the car to eventually get a ticket out of himThe cop basically asked for his whole life story Too many unnecessary questions stick to the traffic stop
“Can I leave?”“No”“You’re loitering”
- This happens a lot especially when it’s a female officer being observed by a male officer. She has to show she can throw her authority around. And make citizens afraid of her.
- This was one of the more infuriating cop videos I’ve seen. The female cop obviously lied about seeing Adam smoking. She holds onto his ID, effectively detaining him, and then issues him a citation for trespassing. Where do you get nerve like this?
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>> He never should’ve handed over his ID.
- Boy, if this isn’t a police state, then what is? Thanks Adam.
- Stopped for allegedly smoking, detained for several minutes, then ticketed for loitering. Could this cop be any more dishonest and corrupt?
- They illegally detaine him to issue a loitering citation. What a bunch of crooks.
- This is one of the most BS tickets I’ve ever seen. I hope to God he fought it. Any reputable DA would toss this ticket after viewing the video. Of course, I’ve seen some pretty outrageous cases brought to court, so I emphasize the term “reputable”.
- It’s almost to the point where we need to walk around with our own body cameras. I don’t know how cops sleep at night when they treat people like this
- “the officer made a mistake” is what people will say to defend actions like this as “not a big deal”… bad cop defenders will never find this offensive until THEY are being accused of something they had not done… the cops were SO certain they were going to find something else, they lead with a lie that had to keep evolving from smoking, to loitering… without video evidence how do you beat the testimony of a “decorated officer with extensive training and knowledge”…
- Viewing from United Kingdom. This is appalling! She was determined to punish him for not bowing down to her. And the other officers were a party to this. I hope this gets enough publicity for her superiors to see and for her to be reprimanded! Disgraceful behaviour exhibited here, adding to the hatred of police
- I think the lady cop backed herself into a corner once she called for backup. After she called for backup, in order to “save face” with her coworkers looking on, she had to write a ticket for something. It remains to be seen if loitering would have been the citation until it was suggested by her fellow cop. Hope the fellow fought the ticket – especially the trespass one. These cops are wildly out of control and don’t appear to have an adequate working knowledge of the Utah “no smoking” law.
- “You’re not gonna tell me how to do my job.” Well someone has to because you have no idea what you’re doing.
- The problem here is the police have developed their policy around the grey areas of the law that give them authority. It is the reason there needs to be a totally separate organization.
- IMHO it’s bc people are way to quick to take a settlement. They can go all the way with this, making it it case law or reference to such. Terry v Ohio must be challenged, and have a standard for what is reasonable, bc these cops clearly aren’t reasonable people
- I hadn’t thought of it that way but seems accurate. I think it’s also a combination of some officers that are just plain bored. She prob saw someone who looked out of place in “her” community and went on a fishing expedition cause he looked like someone who smoked and when that didn’t work she had to find something to justify her stop and jam him up for not being adequately deferential to her perceived authority. She’s prob also trying to climb the ladder and had a supervisor comment on her dearth of citations. It’s a system that rewards finding or even creating criminality rather than keeping peace. Department budgets and funding are based on amount of “crime” rather than creating a culture of mutual respect and lawfulness. They assume low crime rate means they’re not “finding” it. They need to justify their exorbitant budgets and military toys somehow. Yet if there is a spike in actual crime they have a press conference reassuring the public that it’s not really that bad because they keep the peace and exaggerate any small decrease in crime as solely due to their department. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle of judicial theater.
- when they sited him for trespassing, i would have asked them if uta had asked them to remove me for trespassing. the police don’t have the power to just trespass you, unless the property manager has asked them to remove you, that is not in their power to do.
- They can and will convince someone at UTA to file a complaint.
- @Mr. Security that would be soliciting a trespass, and that is also illegal. I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it, but they’re not supposed to.
- @Ryan Barry they’ve done it before and since
- That does depend on the state. I don’t agree with it, but it’s my understanding.
- Unscrupulous actions by officers like the ones in this video are an important reason why the public is continuing to lose respect for the police. Supervisors in law enforcement should take these incidents more seriously because of the negative impact they have in their communities.
- Any judge that allows contempt of cop tickets should be removed from the bench and disbarred. We the people don’t deserve this treatment from government.
- that was crazy. She lied about seeing him smoking. Then tickets him for loitering for the time he was staying there because she wouldn’t let him leave.
- How else can police departments get money? They have make up infractions when there aren’t crimes, otherwise there would be no need for them.
- “OK, so you weren’t committing any crime. No problem. We’ll just make something up.”
- Funny they told him he was being detained for loitering when they’re the one who’s keeping him here even if they don’t have any right too. It should be every cops knowledge that people have a right to remain silent so let us use it.
- He’s NOT loitering!!! THEY aren’t letting him leave!!
- There’s no such thing as a stop and ID law. Any ID law still requires a law to be broken to ID someone….
- You can’t be detained and loitering at the same time. He needs to fight the charge on principle.
- This is exactly why “stop and ID” laws are complete bs! Cops can make up any kind of excuse they want in order to get your ID so they can cite you. Because it’s their word against yours in court.
- Pig: “I saw you smoking. Give me your ID.” Innocent civilian: Hands them his ID, “But I don’t smoke.”
- Pig: “Now that I have your ID I’m gonna cite you for loitering instead and trespass you too, and it’s a class B misdemeanor if you don’t sign.”
- WTF OVER!?!? This guy needs to get a hold of the bus stop surveillance videos, haul that bitch into court, and sue the hell out of her and the state.
- this dudes mistake was ever giving up his ID. He should have demanded to be arrested.
- I saw this awhile back, and it’s just like all the officers you run into here in Utah especially UTA cops, they use the smoking cigarette thing here like other officers use the I smell weed on other states. Thanks so much for all your hard work and for the share 😊❤👍💯✌
- 2 minutes? The statue clearly says cannot be standing for more than 2 minutes as to block the pathway of others, after 2 minutes as long as you’re not blocking the pathway you’re not loitering.
- @5:18 Loitering?! He already said “give me my ID back so i can leave.” She’s keeping him there, how is THAT loitering?
- How can people unironically say they “back the blue” when crap like this happens EVERY DAMN DAY?!
- depends where you live i dont support city cops but i suppport sheriff’s and a few police in the country they aren’t like these people plus you have no choice but to back the blue lol
- We all need to know and remember the definition of loitering and our states laws on ID. This lady should be fired
- This was a while ago and I think I recall that while she wasn’t fired for this, she was fired for something else later.
- It’s from 2013.
- love watching these kind of videos, it just makes me appreciate more that I’m living in New Zealand. The cops are friendly, helpful and don’t even carry guns.
- “Stop and identify laws don’t allow an officer to identify anyone, at any time, for no good reason.” Correct. The corrupt legal system refusing to criminally charge and prosecute cops for doing such things is gives them that power. And it will continue until we the people demand it change.
- This seems like an easy win. He was cited for loitering, AFTER he was Detained, and not free to leave.
- So she got caught lying and then played stupid.
- Just when I thought I’d seen them all, they come up with a new one: Ordering you not to leave, then accusing you of LOITERING! Man are they slick!
- another clueless cop demanding ID for not answering questions…. it’s all about running this guy for warrants…. first smoking.. oh wait now loitering….. another cop telling lies….
- I know that in the moment, dealing with these bullies can make it difficult to gather your thoughts, but i would’ve liked to see him have her justify the loitering citation.
- Just love that these tyrants dont make any attempt to hide the fact that they’re taking action against law abiding citizens who they have personal beef with. I just watched a cop on manuel mata’s channel who said clear as day that yes, they can and do solicit trespasses against people just because they dont like them. Said it without hesitancy, knowing he was being filmed.
- I remember this one.. Geez man just sad. Entire country is a police state at this point and I don’t think it’ll change. Just get worse as long as there’s qualified immunity. There’s a reason they don’t teach the Bill of rights or constitution in most public school’s anymore.. Kids are taught to not ask questions just obey any and all authority.
- REMEMBER THE FIRST 2 RULES WHEN DEALING WITH POLICE…(1) ALWAYS RECORD POLICE…(2) ALWAYS KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT…. its your right to remain silent….
- We need to remove qualified immunity 100% cross the board police should be forced to get private insurance just like doctors have to have for malpracticeI remember watching this video a long time ago and these officers are just losing their minds trying ro find any little thing to charge people with
- All auditors should start asking these cops if they’re going to go home and show their kid this video or any video they’re in because we all know they don’t want their children to see who they really are
- It is respectful for a police officer to remove sunglasses when talking to a member of the public in an official capacity, unless you want to try intimidating and hide your sincerity towards them
- I think if a Cop’s sole reason for demanding someone give them ID is to run their name for warrants it’s Unconstitutional!!!
- I love the officer who said he was protecting UTA property! Isn’t he sworn to protect and defend the constitution over any private business needs?
- Sudden realization: I have never had a job where I could interact with anybody inside or outside of the business and say “You’re not gonna tell me how to do my job.” in any official capacity
- And then they hold your ID hostage as they make up a reason to charge you with something. Public property where they can put a trespass on someone and force them to spend time and money to correct the injustice.
- Adam needs to send auditors there and do a mass 1st amendment audit. See if those tyrants has the guts to harass those auditors.
- This happens all the time in utah, all over utah. They just make shit up if they cant catch you or find anything illegal on you. Ive been a victim of this crap all my life. We need more civil rights attorneys here. Ive tried to sue and no attorneys want to take the case
- There is a simple blood test which can identify if a person has used tobacco in the last 30 days. A test which would prove the officer was lying about having seen him smoking.
- The key moment: 7:55 Adam says: “See I know this is your job, but you can quit at any moment. You can quit and go find yourselves a real job.” Truth.
- If you are asked the question, “Were you doing X?”
- The response is always, “Do you suspect me of doing X?”
- In situations like this, always ask for name and badge number remember to uphold your 5th and request an incident report number . Don’t forget to ask for supervisor it’ll be extra aid when you file for civil suits.
- I think they should make a law that any cop found lying is put in prison with hardened criminals.
- couple years ago my fiance and I watched a police officer pick up my wallet from a Dollar General Store parking lot. I was going to visit my brother who has cerebral palsy so my fiance went to the police station to have the officer dispatched. They threatened to arrest her and basically said even if they did recover it there’d be no money in it which it had 130$ in it. The officers basically intimidated her and threatened to arrest her if she filed a complaint. Realizing the weren’t going to help or be honest about the officer who picked up the wallet she decided to leave and we just took it as a loss several weeks after that every time we were in that part of town we began to be followed by patrolmen and a couple of months after that incident they followed her from one end of town to another stopping her and saying the reason for the stop is that they didn’t believe the color of the car match the color that was listed on the registration and when she proved them all of those things they cited her for having a mask hanging from the rearview mirror saying it obstructed her view. six officers showed up on that incident and I myself refused to identify myself because I had did nothing wrong apparently they didn’t like that because we have had nothing but harassment and intimidation from and on Sept 9th 2021 one of the same officers involved during original incident stopped us after we were parked in the out of our vehicle he even admitted on the report that he was several cars behind us and the reason he stopped us was because we didn’t engage your turn signal 100ft prior to the turn but tomorrow understanding that is only when traveling on the highway not within a municipal Corporation limited long story short we were ripped from our vehicle they threatened her and told her that she could go home if she provided my information which she refused they arrested her did not read her her rights tell her why she was being arrested or any of the above and during the arrest after we had already asked for a supervisor because the officer lied on the report and on the violation they’re trying to say now that the cam footage doesn’t exist and that is a lie it just shows one of the officers dropped their gun clip and bullets fell out everywhere while having my faced slammed to the ground. We tried to file a complaint with the chief of police for that incident and was threatened with arrest for making false accusations not a reporter knees has he been listen to our side of the story and trying to get us both to court to charges that we did not commit but are only trying to cover up their misconduct where do we go for help
- Even if he did answer her question and said he wasn’t smoking, she wouldn’t believe him, so it wouldn’t matter what he said.
- “You can’t leave. You’re being detained.”
- “For what crime?”
- I’m pretty sure that’s called illegal detainment ..not loitering.
- She’s also purposely breaking his ID if you watch her hands. Cops do this all the time, I’ve gotten my ID back damaged and once my friend got his back completely broken.
- She was damaging property ( his ID card) by bending it in the whole interaction
- UPDATE: Although this video is nearly 9 years old (2013) the viral content didn.t hinder Aymee Race’s career. Over the years she has received several commendations , currently (2021) she has risen to the rank of Detective and serves at the Unified Police Department based in Salt Lake City, Utah.
- I’m from Salt Lake and I can say from personal experience those Transit cops are worse than the regular cops
- Cop: I saw you smoking! Issues a ticket for loitering with no mention of smoking. It’s like her whole argument had nothing to stand on in the first place.
- These people aren’t cops! They don’t know what it is to serve a community. She is bearing false witness. For shame. Take that badge off. She is a horrible cop
- I checked out Adam’s page. He specifically asked to be left alone. This video is several years old and was his only video. He has received death threats over it. He believes the cops have too. The reaction was way more than he expected; and way over the top! He was not a part of the audit community; this was just a “one-off.” He had somebody else edit and post it for him — and then forgot about it until the hate started. Why did you think it was a good idea to bring new trouble to this guy? Oh, there’s money in it!
- .. It’s this immature, bully attitude from law enforcement that frustrates and angers me. Their actions are not supported by the constitution or law. This was completely unnecessary and sickening.
- That guys biggest mistake was giving her his identification, he got it partially right by asking if he committed a crime and the burden of proof is on her which she couldn’t produce so she slaps a loitering charge on him instead, how can you be loitering if your there waiting for someone? He let this cop manipulate him!
- .. I hate those laws that require you to sign or it’s automatically a higher offence and/or jail time.
- .. We need to speak up about this problem we need to flood their phones and peacefully protest our grievances
- .. Should have asked for a supervisor as soon as she forced the ID issue. She’s a perfect example of the types of crooks creating the divide between the communities and the police.
- .. This is exactly why we need a law on the books to protect citizens. In order to protect your rights and fight back against these kinds of acts, you have to go to court, but for many people representation is costly and difficult to obtain. 50 dollars is nothing. It’s extortion by a thousand cuts, making sure that the price of paying for the unlawful ticket is cheaper than fighting the charge. Pass a law that allows citizens to recover their costs against violations like these and watch this behavior dry up.
- .. Pure harassment. Those cops need to be fired!
- She asked if he was smoking and he said no. Then she said I saw you smoking. Then he asked then why’d you ask me? Then she said , “Because I wanted to see if you would be truthful.” Then when she couldn’t prove it they accuse him of loitering. Then a bus pulls up? It’s a bus stop! He’s supposedly loitering at a bus stop which people wait at for busses for hours!
- kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside the way cops have our backs don’t it?
- .. “What are you serving and protecting?” “I’m protecting UTA property.” And that ladies, gentlemen, and NBs is EXACTLY what American police do in this country. They protect CAPITAL, not PEOPLE.
- .. It’s like the cops want to give the public a reason to despise them! Peace!
- .. “Show me your ID” is the drug of choice for cops.
- It’s so interesting the the lying cop wants to see if the person she’s lying to will be honest! With regard to judges taking the word of a cop over that of a citizen, any judge should know that the burden of proof is on the government. So the benefit of the doubt should always be to the citizen.
- 6:00 as she flicks the I.D. she is deciding what she can do to him. If he had a vehicle they would have given him an even more difficult time in retaliation.
- In the other 2 officers defense, sitting idle while this happens is part of the problem. 8:45 she wants his vehicle too. 9:15 she tickets him. He asks “I got a ticket for loitering?!?!” She demands his quiet, so instead of saying “Yes,” she can make him appear rude and interruptive so she can hear her own voice repeat her/his offense: “I am giving you a ticket for loitering…” he repeats it. “LET ME SPEAK! I am giving you a ticket for loitering.” Lying and belittling is part of this witch’s job
- .. It should be illegal for the officer to wear a sunglasses while handling “suspects”
- Other than the police, what other profession do their employees regularly lie ?
- .. His first mistake was talking to her. His second mistake was giving up his ID.
- .. The 2 male cops are just as guilty for just standing by while they watched an illegal retaliation citation.
- What happened to protect and serve? Treat people how you want to be treated. That goes for cops too….once you have determined a no threat situation, act accordingly. Women cops are the worst power trippers. Very sad
- .. Another example of why Qualified Immunity needs to be abolished for LEOs. Qualified Immunity is for government officials so they can keep it, but not ANY type of LEO. Back the Blue Until it Happens to YOU.
- .. I looked it up; UTA Utah Transportation Authority is a public funded operation. In order to be trespassed from any public property, you have to be committing a crime on that property. That trespass order was illegal.
- Her question about if he parked his vehicle over here is illogical. If, as she claimed, that she had witnessed him smoking; which was a total lie, then she would have observed where he came from. All three of these cops should be charged in federal court with a CRIMINAL civil rights violation. It’s the law that brought down the klan.
- I remember this video. She was constantly making things up in order to justify her stop. Its her EGO thats hurt cause he wouldnt answer her He’s not obligated to answer her questions. 1rst she asks “if he was smoking”, than says ” he was smoking” then asks again. Than hes “LOITERING” Than “tresspassing” Funny how she wont answer what hes detained for She starts her corporate City Masters well. Revenue collecting
- She kept him from leaving by holding his documents, then cites for loitering? Really? What arrogance.
- .. They detained him and required him to stay. In other words they created the offense that they cited him for.
- I got hassled in the UK by a community police officer (something below a full police officer) for pulling over on double yellow lines (no parking) to let a passenger out. He told me I couldn’t park there and I said I wasn’t parking, I was just letting someone out and then moving on. He said that’s the same thing. I asked why double red lines exist (meaning no stopping) and rather than answer, he just started walking around my vehicle looking for a different reason to give me a hard time. That’s what they do. If you bruise their egos, they will find a petty reason to punish you. Since he was not a full cop I just drove off in the middle of him doing his checks.
- This is retaliation for exercising 5th amendment rights.
- The dumb logic of the officers that some auditors should be aware of. How does asking for I.D. gonna help investigate a crime? How his ID gonna prove if he was smoking or not?
- Wow that was clearly a set up, if I a: in that situation after seeing this, I would walk away and say I am not going to be entrapped, I don’t smoke, not going to loiter. I would like to see if this female and the other two cops are writing these tickets all day long. The money must be outstanding, think about it, $50.00 a person x3 cops writing let’s say 5 people a day, that’s $750.00 a day, $5,250.00 week, $21,000. A month, $252,000. A year….that’s just 5 people each. That is a ridiculous amount of money. They entrapped him, they purposely stopped him to keep him there over 2 minutes to write that ticket. I think it is unlawful and disgraceful.This is so sad, that we deal with this in a so called free country!
- Would that not be like stopping you at a red light then giving you a ticket after the light turned green because you didn’t go. I called my buddies over, it’s a power thing.
- This one would be an easy inexpensive to beat. Simply ask the officer why she initiated contact. Either the truthful answer (she believed she observed him smoking) or the false answer (she observed him loitering) would be difficult for her to prove. Smoking: beyond her belief, there was no evidence; when she arrived at his location,, no cigarettes were found on his person, no extinguished cigarettes were found nearby. Loitering: he had a legitimate and lawful reason to be at the station, so no loitering.
- .. The cop says that she wanted to see if he would be truthful or not. That’s fresh coming from cops who lie all the time
- This is downtown near Gateway Mall and Plaza. There’s cameras probably about every twenty or so feet. The cops had evidence this guy was smoking then they should have issued a citation ;But this is unclear if he was smoking or if there’s a violation of any kind. If you presents this in court the charges will be dismissed. Then again Sue UTA for quite a bit. UTA is partially public owed.
- UTA is 84% funded through taxes and federal grants, that makes it public property, not private property.
- Utah is the most inhospitable state I have ever been to
- Being a cop is a hard job but this was a cash grab from the cops proof in point he was not charged with smoking but a bogus charge that would be hard to prove differently
- They can not legally trespass someone from publicly accessible areas. Police can not legally trespass. Only the owner of the property can trespass.
- How she casually lies on someone….that is the most alarming thing about this video.
- In the U.K. where I live, the cops don’t act like tyrants. If you commit a minor traffic offence, or accidentally drop a piece of litter for example, the cops would probably just give you some advice, “Be careful, don’t do it again” Part of the reason for this is that if you get charged with a minor non – criminal offence in the U.K. then the cop will have a lot of paper work to write up, which they would rather not have to do.
- Instead of suggesting that auditors stay quiet (a virtual impossibility for many of them), you should suggest that they either stay silent, or answer every question with a question (which is both NOT answering a question, and not staying silent). I think that you will find that many of them are capable of this far easier than just remaining silent.
- Just so everyone knows, the videos of the light rail train is NOT from Utah. That is the Hoboken, NJ light rail station. It is connected to the Hoboken NJ Transit train terminal. I know because I lived in Jersey City most of my life and have been an EMT with the Hoboken Volunteer Ambulance Corps for 22 years.
- I would have never tolerated that bullshit and would have contacted a attorney, fought the charges until they were dismissed and then I would have gone to a town meeting and served them with a civil complaint, I also would have contacted the news media as well , the city council or commissioners should be out rage as to how the police are treating out of town visitors !
- All you have to do is get a foot from him and smell. Then all of that extra bunk is void.
- People has said it many times and I’m sure its just annoying to hear. But this is why no one has any compassion for the police when stuff happens for them. The few people that do care for the cops are either bootlickers that worship them or people that are ignorant to what the police has been doing to our community. There is no in between at this point, you either worship them or you’re ignorant to what they’ve been doing to law abiding citizens. I used to love the police until the day they allowed my mother to die and until I saw all that shit they’ve been doing to people that dared to question them.
- Police & sheriffs do this constantly. They need mental health training so desperately because they are causing trauma & in severe cases PTSD symptoms.
- Federal prosecutor, “Show me the man, I’ll show you the crime.”