Why Rod Dehehr likes Victor Orban

 

 

 

Bob Sampson
@bobsalpha1
@roddreher
Complete embrace of authoritarianism framed under “but he fights,” no real interest in conservatism or democracy, just a desire to be the only ones who ever have power.

 

Replying to

@mattklewis
@davidfrum

and

@roddreher
Translation: As I see it, the only choices are between an illiberal left & an illiberal right. Therefore, I choose to give up liberal democracy entirely and support an illiberal right. Further translation: If I can’t get what I want politically, let’s discard democracy entirely.

 

Heino Gulliksen
@roddreher
This is absolutely insane. Orban is a blatant fascist, shutting down free press and stomping on basic freedoms. But sure, he fights against woke-ism and leftists. Why don’t these people just say out loud that they long for democracy to end, so they can be ruled by a new Il Duce?

 

 

 

Rod’s whole argument can be broken down to this: “Norms of acceptable behavior are changing, (as they always have and always will) and because my beliefs are now considered fringe and unnaceptable in many quarters, though I face no official government sanction and am enjoying all the protections of liberal democracy, I would use the government illiberally to punish those who no longer consider me a mainstream.” At no point does Rod even glance at a place where the government has infringed on his rights to practice his faith or speak his mind, but he is “terrified” that private institutions (businesses, colleges, the media, elites, etc) are not doing exactly what he wants regarding a whole slew of hard to define attitudes and policies. Because of this, he would dispense with liberal democracy! What a ridiculous overreaction!

 

but you are in a sense giving up and i
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don’t want to give up on this experiment
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i in fact that really goes against
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everything that i kind of believe in
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like as a conservative all right well
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let me ask you this um
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do you have any sons or daughters who
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have a teenage year in their teenage
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years i have a 10 year old boy and an
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eight-year-old boy the reason i ask is
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this my i have a 17 year old son who’s
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going to be 18 and he was thinking for a
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long time about the military
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about going into the military and i sat
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down on how to talk with him i never
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imagined as a conservative that i would
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have this kind of talk with my son but i
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uh i i said listen whatever you’re
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called to do if you if you’re really
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feeling this calling uh your dad will
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support you on it but here’s what i want
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you to think about and i told him about
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how we were lied to by our government
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and to get into this iraq war and the
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generals lied and lied and lied about
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afghanistan said i don’t want you to
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give your life in the best years of your
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life to following leaders that you
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cannot trust so secondly look what’s
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happening look look at how our
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government is changing uh we’re
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on the lgbt thing now it’s become a huge
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part of foreign policy uh they’ve openly
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stated that and
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are you as an orthodox christian eastern
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orthodox christian you’re going to get
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into the military and are you going to
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have to choose between serving your
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country you’re serving your conscience
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are you going to be put in a position
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where you’re going to have to lie in
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order to protect your your position in
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the military do you want to fight for
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this sort of order an order that is
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going into other countries like hungary
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like poland and elsewhere around the
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world and trying to force them to accept
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post-christian western standards of
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morality i don’t think so and he
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eventually decided he wasn’t going to do
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it i think it had more to do with what
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his friends are doing but the point is
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simply this matt i i used to think i’ve
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always thought america was a good guy