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matt lee is uh an associated press
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foreign policy correspondent or state
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department uh journalist and
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he
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really questioned this guy ned price the
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state department spokesperson very
00:14
aggressively over this new claim that’s
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emerged
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that
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we now know russia is planning a false
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flag attack uh to invade ukraine and
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you know therefore it’s like
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basically whatever the us wants to do in
00:29
response is justified because we we
00:32
didn’t start it we didn’t do anything we
00:33
didn’t do anything wrong here and so if
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we want to deploy troops to the border
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tens of thousands of them if we want to
00:40
have the tanks ready to go
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if we want to do sanctions not just of
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the oligarchs but even russian civilians
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hey don’t question us we’re telling you
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we we know we have the smoking gun
00:50
evidence that they’re gonna do a false
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flag attack and we need to be prepared
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for that so this journalist has been
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around the block
00:57
and he’s going to do a very simple thing
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he’s going to ask for evidence and look
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at how comical this back and forth is uh
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we told you a few weeks ago that we have
01:05
information indicating russia also has
01:07
already pre-positioned a group of
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operatives to conduct a false flag
01:11
operation in eastern ukraine so that map
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to your question is an action that
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russia has already taken it’s an action
01:17
that you say that they have taken but
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you have shown no evidence to
01:22
to to confirm that and i’m going to get
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to the next question here which is what
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is the evidence that they i mean this is
01:28
like crisis actors really this is like
01:31
alex jones territory you’re getting it
01:32
too now
01:34
um what evidence do you have to support
01:36
the idea that there is some propaganda
01:39
film in the in in the making
01:41
now this is derived uh from information
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known to the us government intelligence
01:46
information that we have declassified i
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think okay well where is it where is
01:50
this information it is intelligence
01:52
information that we have declassified
01:54
well where is it where is the
01:55
declassified information i just
01:57
delivered it
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look no you made a series of allegations
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would you like us to print out the
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topper because you will see a transcript
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of this briefing that you can print out
02:06
for yourself it’s not evidence ned
02:08
that’s you saying it that’s not evidence
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i’m sorry
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what would you like matt
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i i would like to see some proof that
02:16
you that that
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that you can show
02:20
that
02:20
that matt
02:22
that shows that that that shows that the
02:24
russians are doing this ned i’ve been
02:26
doing this i know that was my passion
02:29
you have been doing this for quite a
02:30
while you know that when we declassify
02:31
intelligence information we do so in a
02:34
means
02:43
where is the declassified information
02:45
other than you coming out here and
02:47
saying
02:48
matt i’m sorry you don’t like the format
02:50
uh but we have
02:51
format it’s the content i’m sorry you
02:53
don’t like the content i’m sorry you i’m
02:56
sorry you are doubting the information
02:57
that is in the possession of the us
02:59
government
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what i’m telling you is that this is
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information that’s available to us we
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are making it available to you uh in
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order uh for a couple reasons one is to
03:08
attempt to deter the russians from going
03:10
ahead with this activity two in the
03:12
event we’re not able to do that in the
03:14
event the russians do go ahead with us
03:16
to make it clear as day to lay bear the
03:18
fact that this has always been an
03:20
attempt on the part of the russian
03:21
federation to fabricate a pretext
03:25
yeah but you don’t have any
03:28
any evidence to back it up other than
03:30
what you’re saying
03:31
it’s like you’re saying
03:32
we think we we have
03:34
information the russians may do this
03:37
but you won’t tell us what the
03:39
information is and then when when you’re
03:41
that is the idea behind deterrence that
03:43
is
03:59
moving forward with this type of
04:00
activity that is why we’re making it
04:02
public today if the russians don’t go
04:04
forward with this that is not uh ipso
04:07
facto an indication that they never had
04:08
plans to do so uh but then it’s
04:11
unprovable
04:12
my god what is the evidence that you
04:14
have that suggests that that the
04:16
russians are even planning this i mean
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i’m not saying that they’re not but you
04:19
just come out and say this and expect us
04:21
just to to believe it without you
04:24
showing a shred of evidence that it’s
04:26
actually true other than
04:28
when i ask or what anyone else asks
04:30
what’s the information you said well i
04:32
just gave it to you which was just you
04:34
making a statement matt you said
04:35
yourself you’ve been in this business
04:36
for quite a long time you know that when
04:38
we make information uh intelligence
04:40
information public we do so uh in a way
04:43
that protects sensitive sources and
04:45
methods you also know that we do so we
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declassify information only when we’re
04:51
confident in that information if you
04:53
doubt if you doubt the the credibility
04:55
of the us government of the british
04:57
government uh of other governments and
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want to uh
05:00
you know find uh solace and information
05:02
that uh the russians are putting out uh
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that is that is for you to do so in
05:07
other words you are a russian
05:09
propagandist or a russian stooge or a
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dupe
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um
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or a foreign asset
05:16
because you’re trusting them over us
05:18
when all he’s doing is saying i’m
05:20
agnostic i just want to see your
05:21
evidence if you’re gonna make a claim
05:23
the burden is on you to provide the
05:24
evidence that’s how it works that’s how
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it’s supposed to work but usually the
05:29
rest of the media when they’re state
05:30
department sources or their cia sources
05:32
uh tell them something they’re
05:34
stenographers they take it at face value
05:37
because they’re suckers who are putting
05:39
these positions specifically for that
05:41
reason i’m surprised this ap guy hasn’t
05:43
been fired already because there’s a
05:44
number of times he’s held this slimy
05:47
weasel
05:48
ned price accountable
05:50
and he’s so bad at the job he’s so
05:52
terrible at this he’s like we know that
05:54
the russians are are now doing this
05:56
what’s your evidence i just told you
05:58
that we know that that they’re gonna be
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doing this that’s not evidence that’s
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not evidence now understand something
06:04
just like ned says i’ll say the same
06:05
thing
06:06
i don’t know is it possible that they’re
06:08
going to do that sure
06:09
but this is not an agency that has a
06:12
track record of truth telling in fact
06:14
quite the opposite they have a long
06:16
record of lying about everything
06:18
these are the same people that got us
06:20
into the iraq war now i’m sure some
06:21
people involved in the stuff behind the
06:23
scenes maybe really believe the [ __ ]
06:25
really believe the line of argument and
06:26
so they were acting in good faith even
06:29
though they were wrong but there’s also
06:30
people who might not be who might not be
06:32
acting in good faith who are lying and
06:34
know that they’re lying
06:36
but at the end of the day all that
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matters is whether or not what they’re
06:39
saying is true and what that means we
06:40
should do about it now look i’m on
06:43
record are there certain things that are
06:45
on the table in a negotiation with
06:46
russia that are more like hardline
06:48
approaches absolutely absolutely so for
06:52
one thing
06:53
um the nordstrom 2 pipeline should the
06:55
u.s use that as leverage sure absolutely
06:58
in other words look if we find some sort
07:00
of peace agreement and a way out of this
07:01
then you can have the north stream two
07:03
pipeline if you don’t we’re gonna
07:05
undercut it not let you have it and the
07:07
u.s will sell our natural gas to germany
07:09
and we’ll sell the same price as you
07:10
guys even if it’s at a loss
07:12
that’s one thing you could put on the
07:13
table another thing is uh like it or not
07:16
these nations are sovereign nations that
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were the post-soviet states so
07:22
having them armed so they could defend
07:24
themselves yeah that’s absolutely on the
07:26
table that makes perfect sense they’re
07:27
sovereign nations they get to do that if
07:29
they want to do that now these are
07:30
things that all these things russia
07:32
views as red lines that you can’t do
07:36
no
07:37
don’t agree and that’s the whole point
07:38
of a negotiation now are there other
07:41
parts of the deal that would be
07:42
concessions to russia well yes because
07:43
again that’s part of a negotiation as
07:45
well
07:46
and so
07:47
uh i want peace i want to avoid world
07:49
war iii
07:50
so
07:51
um does that mean we’re not gonna do war
07:53
games on russia’s border anymore with
07:55
nato yes does that mean we’re not gonna
07:56
have missiles pointed directly at russia
07:58
in in an ally state of ours yes
08:01
does that mean that you know uh nato
08:04
should not move an inch closer to
08:05
russia’s border absolutely all those
08:07
things are true but it’s also true that
08:09
other things are on the table but
08:11
what the us government is trying to do
08:12
is lay the groundwork and set the
08:14
preconditions to allow us to do anything
08:18
and play the victim and
08:20
play like we’re acting defensive every
08:21
step of the way but it is the same
08:23
organization that led us into the iraq
08:25
war you know the state department the
08:26
cia if these are the same outlets that
08:28
lied about russiagate relentlessly for
08:30
years straight and they are
08:32
well then you shouldn’t take their word
08:33
for it they need to actually show
08:34
evidence if they have such evidence
08:36
they’re not showing the evidence which
08:37
means they don’t have such evidence
08:38
again that’s not to say it’s impossible
08:40
that russia would do this but you need
08:43
to prove it you need to show it you
08:45
absolutely need to show it and so this
08:46
is a rare instance of a journalist doing
08:48
their job doing their job right
08:51
doing their job effectively and really
08:53
unmasking
08:54
the the little weasel state department
08:56
spokesperson here
08:59
so
09:02
there you have it i really hope that the
09:04
negotiation works and we can find a way
09:06
to back out of this feud because
09:10
in the nuclear age with two
09:11
nuclear-armed states you don’t even want
09:13
to be this close
09:15
to some sort of
09:17
fight
09:19
you don’t
09:20
it’s for the future of humanity it’s a
09:23
necessity that you find a way
09:25
out of this situation
09:27
and you need to use all the negotiation
09:29
skills all the diplomacy in the world
09:31
and you need to be fair-minded and
09:32
reasonable and unfortunately i do not
09:35
trust the us at all to do that i don’t
09:37
really trust russia either
09:39
but i also
09:41
know
09:42
that our government has lied
09:43
relentlessly
09:45
about this stuff and
09:47
finally somebody’s holding them
09:48
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