Norman Vincent Peale: The Law of Attraction

This is an audiobook reminding us to stay positive in life to get the results you want and need. A reminder to stay positive, no matter what you’re going through. #PositiveThinking
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image was changed and he was finally
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able to pass his test without incident
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everyone faces crises by anticipating
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the worst we tend to freeze unable to
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function properly but by substituting
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the power of imagination by
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Imaging throwing mind and heart over the
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obstacle it can be overcome the result
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inevitably follows the thrust of the
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mind now for the fourth element of
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successful achievement put strong
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positive thoughts behind your goal never
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let negative thoughts surround you for
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the negative thinker unleashes
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destructive forces that can destroy him
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it’s the law of attraction at work like
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attracts like thoughts of a kind have a
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natural affinity by sending out negative
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thoughts the negative thinker activates
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the world around him negatively he tends
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to draw back to himself negative results
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the positive thinker on the other hand
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sends out optimistic thoughts and thus
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activates the world around him
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positively on the basis of the same law
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of attraction he draws back to himself
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positive thoughts he works and keeps on
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working he thinks and keeps on thinking
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he believes and keeps on believing he
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never lets up never gives in he gives
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the effort the full treatment of
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positive faith and action result his
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dreams come true he can because he
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thinks he can
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[Music]
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as you encounter life’s challenges or as
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you dream your dreams never write off
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anything as impossible remember you have
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the mental capacity to think your way
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through any problem if you draw fully
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upon your mind think hopefully get your
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mental powers really working and things
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can turn out better than they now appear
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here are some proven techniques that can
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help you meet your setbacks head-on and
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accomplish your goals
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remember the problem-solving process
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first no get to know your problem study
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it until you find the soft spot then
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break it apart second think use your
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head your mind is a powerful tool stay
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cool and think straight the answer is
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there if you let it come third believe
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believe in yourself trust your ability
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to see your crisis through to the end
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repeat to yourself I can I can I can if
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you want to accomplish something keep
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these thoughts in mind have a sharply
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focused goal pray about your goal to
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make sure it’s right for you picture
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your goal clearly in your mind and don’t
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let that image fade work and keep on
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working always take a positive and
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optimistic attitude when you maintain a
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positive frame of mind good things are
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drawn to you and ultimately they
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influence the outcome of your endeavors
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everyone encounters defeating factors in
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life but those who think they can do not
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give in by drawing upon their inner
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powers of mind and spirit they simply
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refuse to be defeated
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they know that even the most difficult
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situations can be overcome so they
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proceed to overcome them the hopeful
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thinker projects hope and faith both
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miracle elements into the darkest
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situation and lights it up as long as
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you keep the crippling thought of defeat
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out of your mind
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defeat cannot defeat you you can be a
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winner i’m norman vincent peale i hope
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you’ve enjoyed this and i wish you the
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best things always this has been a
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presentation of simon & schuster audio

Someone who worked at a company for a few years in the early days and then left (often because they were pushed out or couldn’t scale) has zero moral authority to weigh-in on complex policy issues facing that company. Don’t trade on your good fortune.

Used to Meeting Challenges With Bluster and Force, Trump Confronts a Crisis Unlike Any Before

The ways he dealt with crises in his business, real estate and even his personal life prove jarring as he leads the government’s response to a pandemic.

WASHINGTON — During his campaign for the White House in 2016, President Trump’s advisers briefly tried to run through with him how he would address a large-scale disaster if he won. What, for instance, would he have done during Hurricane Katrina?

“I would have fixed that,” Mr. Trump replied with certitude, referring to the government’s bungled rescue and recovery efforts, according to a campaign official who was present for the exchange. “I would have come up with a much better response.” How? He did not say. He just asserted it would have been better and advisers did not press him to elaborate.

Mr. Trump is no stranger to crisis. He has spent a lifetime grappling with bankruptcy, fending off creditors, evading tax collectors, defending lawsuits, deflecting regulators, spinning reporters and dueling with estranged wives, usually coming out ahead, at least as he defines it. But these were crises of his own creation involving human adversaries he knew how to confront. Nothing in his background in business, entertainment or multiple marriages prepared him for the coronavirus pandemic now threatening America’s health and wealth.

Mr. Trump’s performance on the national stage in recent weeks has put on display the traits that Democrats and some Republicans consider so jarring — the profound

  • need for personal praise, the
  • propensity to blame others, the
  • lack of human empathy, the
  • penchant for rewriting history, the
  • disregard for expertise, the
  • distortion of facts, the
  • impatience with scrutiny or criticism.

For years, skeptics expressed concern about how he would handle a genuine crisis threatening the nation, and now they know.

“When he’s faced a problem, he has sought to somehow cheat or fix the outcome ahead of time so that he could construct a narrative that showed him to be the winner,” said Michael D’Antonio, a Trump biographer. “And when it was all about feuds with other celebrities or contests over ratings or hotel branding, he could do that and no one cared enough to really check. And the bluster and bragging worked.”

“But in this case,” Mr. D’Antonio added, “he tried that in the beginning and you can’t brag or bluster your way out of people dying. And I think more than the suffering, the human suffering, it’s been the inexorable quality of the data that’s forced him to change.”

Only after viral projections grew more dire and markets began to tank did Mr. Trump shift tone and appear to take the threat more seriously, finally adopting a more aggressive set of policies to compel Americans to stay away from one another while trying to mitigate the economic damage.

The New York Stock Exchange this month as markets have plunged over worries about the coronavirus pandemic.  
Credit…John Taggart for The New York Times

Some in the public seem to have responded. Fifty-five percent of Americans approved of his handling of the crisis in a poll by ABC News and Ipsos released on Friday, up from 43 percent the previous week. A Reuters poll, also conducted with Ipsos, put approval of his handling of the pandemic at 48 percent, up from 38 percent a couple weeks earlier, while surveys by The Economist and YouGov showed a smaller rise, from 41 percent to 45 percent.

But even as he has seemed to take the crisis more seriously, Mr. Trump has continued to make statements that conflicted with the government’s own public health experts and focused energy on blaming China, quarreling with reporters, claiming he knew that the coronavirus would be a pandemic even when he was minimizing its threat only a few weeks ago and congratulating himself for how he has managed a crisis he only recently acknowledged.

“We’ve done a fantastic job from just about every standpoint,” he said Tuesday. “We’ve done a great job,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve done a phenomenal job on this,” he said Thursday.

The next day he grew irritated when Peter Alexander of NBC News asked if he was giving Americans a “false sense of hope” by promising immediate delivery of a drug that experts said is not proven. Mr. Trump said he disagreed with them. “Just a feeling,” he said. “You know, I’m a smart guy. I feel good about it.”

Mr. Alexander moved onto his next question, a “softball” by his own reckoning, asking what Mr. Trump would say to Americans who were at home watching and scared. Most presidents would use the opportunity to offer reassuring words. But Mr. Trump was still steamed and snapped, “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say.”

Later in the same briefing, Yamiche Alcindor of PBS’s “NewsHour” asked when everyone who needed a coronavirus test would be able to get one, as he asserted two weeks ago that every person already could. “Nobody is even talking about it except for you, which doesn’t surprise me,” he said dismissively. How about people with symptoms who could not get a test, he was asked. “I’m not hearing it,” he replied.

The White House rejects any criticism of the president as illegitimate. “This great country has been faced with an unprecedented crisis, and while the Democrats and the media shamelessly try and destroy this president with a coordinated, relentless, biased political assault, President Trump has risen to fight this crisis head-on by taking aggressive historic action to protect the health, wealth and well-being of the American people,” Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, said in a statement.

Mr. Trump acted at the end of January to restrict travel from China, where the outbreak was first detected, and repeatedly points back to that decision, arguing that he saved lives as a result. But he resisted stronger action for weeks. Even as governors, mayors and businesses decided on their own to curb large gatherings and eventually close down schools, restaurants and workplaces, the president at first offered no guidance about whether to take such action.

He has repeatedly misrepresented the state of the response — promising a vaccine “soon” that will actually take at least a year to develop, insisting that tests were available while patients struggled to find any, boasting about the availability of millions of masks while health care workers took to stitching together homemade versions. And dismissing the threat for weeks may have led to complacency among some Americans who could have acted much sooner to take precautions.

Mr. Trump’s defensiveness over the pandemic has become a central dynamic inside the White House as officials wrestle with difficult policy choices. Aides have long understood that Mr. Trump needs to hear support for his decisions, preferably described in superlatives. He often second-guesses himself, prompting advisers to ask allies to tell him he made the right call or go on Fox News to make that point in case he might be watching.

Over the last week, as Mr. Trump has faced ever more draconian and expensive options, Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior adviser, sought to coax him into action by using bits of praise in news coverage or from other officials as a motivator, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Officials have learned that the president craves a constant diet of flattery, which they serve up during daily televised briefings. Vice President Mike Pence makes a point of repeating it day after day, sometimes repeatedly in the course of a single briefing. “Mr. President, from early on, you took decisive action,” he said during one.

Other advisers have followed suit. “Thank you, Mr. President, for gathering your public health experts here today and for your strong leadership in keeping America safe,” Alex M. Azar II, the secretary of health and human services, told him at one point. “I want to thank you for your leadership during this coronavirus outbreak,” Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, told him at another.

Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the infectious disease expert, is careful to maintain his viability within a political team.
Credit…Erin Schaff/The New York Times

Even Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the veteran infectious diseases expert known for his just-the-facts style, has sometimes joined in praise of the president, at one point referring to Mr. Trump’s “proactive, leaning-forward, aggressive, trying to stay ahead of the curve” approach. While Dr. Fauci does not hesitate to correct the president’s facts, as he did on Friday over the unproven drug, he does so politely, careful to maintain his viability within a political team. Still, many noticed that he put his hand to his face in seeming disbelief when Mr. Trump referred to his diplomats as the “Deep State Department.”

Representative Peter T. King, Republican of New York, said Mr. Trump had been unfairly criticized for his handling of the virus. “The media virtually ignore the president’s massive effort mobilizing the federal government, our industrial base and the scientific and medical community to combat this pandemic, rivaling F.D.R.’s arsenal of democracy,” he said.

Mr. King said that Mr. Trump was working with Democrats but the news media “prefer to dwell on initial failure of C.D.C. test kits and low inventory of masks and ventilators going back two administrations.” Still, he said of Mr. Trump, “He too often takes the bait.”

None of which comes as a surprise to those who dealt with Mr. Trump or studied his life before he became president. In real estate, he found he could overcome crises by bluffing his way past regulators, bullying the bankers and bamboozling the tabloids.

When banks came after him for overdue loans, he pushed back, arguing that it was in their interest that his brand not be harmed by calling him out. When contractors demanded to be paid, he found complaints about their work and refused, leading in part to more than 3,500 lawsuits. When his first two marriages fell apart, he took a scorched-earth approach against his wives, leaking to New York’s gossip columnists even if it meant his children watched ugly divorces play out in public.

“The typical modus operandi from him is to bluff, is to fake, is to deny,” said Jack O’Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City.

When Mr. Trump prepared to open the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City in 1990 and ran into trouble with the authorities, he summoned Mr. O’Donnell. “He told them I was an expert in operations and I could fix this,” Mr. O’Donnell recalled. “And they believed him. I was dumbfounded. He was completely bluffing them.”

A subway station in Brooklyn. The governor of New York on Friday urged people to stay home.
Credit…Demetrius Freeman for The New York Times

To Mr. Trump, most of his crises were about paper and money, not people. The self-described “king of debt” treated loan repayments almost as if they were optional and made it a mantra never to back down. “I figured it was the bank’s problem, not mine,” he wrote in one of his books. “What the hell did I care? I actually told one bank, ‘I told you, you shouldn’t have loaned me that money.’”

Perhaps the only time before his presidency that the human toll of a crisis really struck Mr. Trump in a personal way came when three of his executives died in a helicopter crash heading to Atlantic City. He seemed genuinely shaken, visiting the widows to share in their grief.

“I actually think he handled that situation about as well as you could expect from him,” Mr. O’Donnell said. “It was such a shock to him. It was the first time I heard fear in his voice. It was the first time I saw empathy, that I saw emotion from him, because he realized the human loss there.”

Even then, Mr. Trump could not help inserting himself into the story, suggesting falsely that he almost boarded the helicopter himself. And within months, with his Taj project flailing, Mr. Trump began publicly attributing problems to the dead executives. In a crisis, “he always was more focused on who he could blame versus fixing the problem,” said Mr. O’Donnell, who quit in disgust.

Nor did Mr. Trump exhibit much empathy for the workers who lost their jobs when his casinos went bust. Instead, when asked about his failed Atlantic City ventures, he emphasizes his own ability to escape unharmed. “The money I took out of there was incredible,” he once told The New York Times.

The closest analogue to the current situation may be the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, another national trauma. Mr. Trump tried to thrust himself into the news coverage, telling an interviewer by phone that day that with the destruction of the World Trade Center he now had the tallest building in New York City, a claim that was not even true. He also has said he spent extensive time around the site trying to help the cleanup, a claim that has never been verified.

With the airports closed at the time, Mr. Trump was asked to provide his private plane to fly Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and Gov. George E. Pataki to Washington for President George W. Bush’s address to Congress. Mr. Trump agreed — but in return asked for help getting permission to travel from Washington to another destination when others were grounded.

By his own account, Mr. Trump never imagined that he would be facing a pandemic, an invisible killer immune to bluster. “In every previous occasion, he was facing a human being or groups of human beings,” said Gwenda Blair, the author of a biography of the Trump family. “And obviously the coronavirus, it’s not a person, can’t be bullied.”

So Mr. Trump, with his recent descriptions of a war to be won over a “foreign enemy,” is seeking a dynamic that he is familiar with, personifying the virus as an opponent to be beaten, framing it as the kind of crisis he knows how to tackle. “He’s trying to make it into a win-lose situation,” she said. “That’s how he sees the world — winners, him, losers everybody else. He’s trying to make the coronavirus into a loser and himself the winner.”

How To Win With People You Don’t Like – Jocko Willink

If I am so smart, why am I know winning.

You should build relationships with people you don’t like for the good of the mission.

If you don’t like someone, most of the time that is your ego.

Transcript

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do you talk about building or you talk about building relationships a lot at
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work even when people whom you might not like even with people who mean you don’t
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like have you always been this way or did you also feel difficult also
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difficulty in wanting to build relationships with those people if the
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latter what are the things that help you to actually want to build relationships
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with him things so when I was a young seal
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I was pretty typical young seal pretty typical young man meaning I thought I
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was invincible I thought I could beat everyone in a fight cuz I didn’t know
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jiu-jitsu so you just think you’re just gonna win but that you’re wrong I
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thought I knew everything of course and I thought I was smarter than everyone
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else kind of typical sometimes I would rub people the wrong way and the people
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that I would rub the wrong way were especially people that I third thought
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were not squared away in the chain of command so if you weren’t square if you
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if you were my boss and I didn’t think you were squared away I was gonna rub
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you the wrong way no cuz I was gonna be slightly offensive yeah as a matter of
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fact I got an evaluation it’s one of the first evaluations that I got when I got
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to a SEAL team and back in the day yeah you’d get you were rated 4.0 was the
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highest you could get and it would go all the way down to whatever like one
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but at this time basically everyone got four oh and everything right you
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basically got four oh and everything and like you’d have to mess up you have to
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mess to get deviate from the four so I got all four O’s and I got a 3.8 which
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was like a major dig and the dig was in I think it was like in relation like I
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don’t know what the word was but when I got debriefed on it what the
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guy that gave me the 3/8 what he what he told me
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which I actually was proud of because that’s how stupid I was
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he’s like you you you’re too hostile with people that aren’t squared away
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that’s literally and I was all like whatever you’re damn
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right I am hostile towards people that aren’t square to go to war right just an
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idiot that’s what that’s what the situation
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was and you know it made me mad if a leader was weak and I would form these
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antagonistic relationships with leaders if I thought that they were weak
and one
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of these bosses eventually that I fought I was better than right I thought I was
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smarter I thought I was smarter than him right I thought that he was an idiot
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sure I should have his job right how often do you think that right I should
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have that guy’s job I’m smart and the more I showed this attitude the worse
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our relationship got in the world and the less he listened to me and the less
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influence
I had over how we did things and therefore the the worse we did and
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the and the the worse our ability to perform God because he was just doing
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things the way he thought without any good input from anyone below him in the
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chain of command mm-hmm all because I had formed this antagonistic
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relationship with him which was bad because then he’s not listening to me
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and then one day one day I said to myself if I’m so smart if I’m such a
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smart guy why am I losing why am I losing if I’m so smart if I am so smart
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why can’t I get this guy to do what I want him to do even though he’s my boss
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doesn’t matter if I’m so smart yes they were smarter than him why can’t I get
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him to do what I wanted me to do hmm why if I’m so smart how come I can’t
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have more influence over the way we operate if I’m so smart and he’s so dumb
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mm-hmm and that’s that’s when I realized that’s when I had an away
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an awakening that instead of blaming him for being stupid I was the one who was
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being stupid I had lost the ability to influence my boss because I was being
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stupid and because of my ego
I literally thought I deserved his job okay I
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thought pretty much anyone could anyone in the platoon should have his job and
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therefore since I thought that I I understand of supporting him they said a
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building a relationship with him i undermined him now once I got humble and
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I started to build a positive relationship with him
instead of an
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antagonistic one that started to change and because because then he started
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listening to me he started to change some things and my influence over the
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whole situation became better because I now had a relationshi
p despite the fact
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I liked the guy despite that fact I built the
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relationship and the situation got better I had more influence and that
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became kind of my standard operating procedure was to build relationships
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with people even if I didn’t like them to build relationships with people so
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that I could have more influence now does what does that sound like right
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that sounds like I’m kind of this manipulative two-faced superficial
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disingenuous guy yeah that’s that’s being devious and conniving not keeping
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it real not keeping it real right but the fact is that is not true that’s not
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that’s not that’s not who I am you don’t know who I am I’m a guy that’s trying to
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accomplish the mission that’s what I am I’m a guy that is trying to accomplish
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the mission who is putting my own ego in check to build a relationship with
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someone that I don’t like that I don’t respect but what I’m trying to do is
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improve our operational capability what’s more important to me trying to
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arrange the situation build the relationship so that we do better not so
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that I get promoted not so that I’m getting some accolades but so that we as
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a team do a better job I put the little feelings aside because I want the team
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to win so if you’re having having some trouble getting over your feelings and
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getting over your ego to build relationships for the good of the team
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ask yourself the same question I asked myself a long time ago
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which is this if I am so smart why am I not winning and if you answer that
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question honestly then you’ll put your ego in check
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you’ll go build the relationships that will make you and your team accomplish
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the mission and win hmm there you go
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can’t help but agree with that one you know what’s funny is if you think
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about like why you wouldn’t like someone mm-hmm what what causes you and not like
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someone most of the time that’s your ego anyways most of the time that’s your ego
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anyways yeah and so you know you had that story of the you know you were
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consulting somebody it was like a big CEO of yeah like a lacrosse guy that
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story is probably the most common story I mean the way you handle it different
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yeah but that scenario that you started with with us are so common man
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where ya they rub you the wrong way because right off the bat you see him as
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some kind of competitive figure to you like they’re you know some you know
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compare you know you’re competing with them in your own mind in whatever and
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the feelings probably meet you a lot of the time you know see kids don’t like
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each other you know one anything he says you’re you know you’re already defensive
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but it’s weird man how you can how that happened like that’s happened to me
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before not is it wasn’t as overt but just like yeah I don’t really feel that
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guy you know I don’t like I would because I not only is he like when you
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look at them whatever they’re kind of competitive with you but maybe they do
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something just this much different than you you know like it’s just different in
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philosophy or something like that I was like oh let me again second and then
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they open their mouth and say one word to you and it’s real nice you’re like oh
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I love that guy you know just one little thing just one little like hey I’m cool
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you know I like you kind of thing and it’s like oh man yeah when they say
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something humble to you yeah it disarms your ego and you’re all of a sudden
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you’re bros yeah it’s so weird but if they don’t if they escalate the ego
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situation
which then it’s very problematic happens all the time I mean
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really that’s the natural course of things because you do have to put on the
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brakes on your feelings and be like okay let’s make a different kind of decision
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than the automatic one I got to switch to manual real quick and then bling but
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the bottom line is you’re gonna interact with all kinds of different people if
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you’re in any kind of team want so ever which is most most human beings interact
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with other human beings through their job through their life through I mean
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you could apply this to your family too right
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there’s someone in your family that you don’t get along with well what good does
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it do does it make your family unit better when you let those emotions play
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out and let your ego play out no it doesn’t you’re better off you’ll get
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further and you’ll have a better you’ll have a better life in your family if you
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put your ego in check and then say you know what I’m just gonna build a
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relationship with this person it’s gonna make everything better and smoother but
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it’s like man if you it I feel like you can take the place of any marriage
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counselor by just saying that for real like all you have to do is in and they
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got to do it but all you got to do is ask like is this gonna help the
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relationship with my wife or my family whoever it is in your is this gonna help
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the relationship if I do this or don’t do this or is it gonna hurt it and
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that’s it that’s it that’s super general question or whatever but it’s it’s so
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cut and dry most of the time yeah of course it’s exceptions but generally
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speaking it’s pretty cut and dry okay and a lot of time just like I said it
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has to do with like your ego or your you know this this sense of vengeance little
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micro sense of vengeanc
e because I can’t believe she doesn’t respect the fact
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that I took out the trash you know she asked me to take the trash all the time
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finally when I do it nothing you know like chilli its I was talking to a
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friend of mine and we were talking about you know I’ve talked about the mutiny
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that I had yeah yeah Co platoon but we had a mutiny we fight
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we had a mutiny against uh our platoon commander we fired he got fired and then
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the other guy that came in to take his place was like the best guy mm-hmm and I
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was talking to a guy that worked with him much later when he was a senior
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senior guy and I was telling him I was like oh when I talk on the podcast about
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the platoon commander that was like the best that’s who I’m talking he’s like no
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way and and this guy working with he’s a senior guy and he says you know when he
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when I worked with him he would take out that he would take out the trash from
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the office every day
and he and I started laughing said that’s right and
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I’d be look and he was saying like oh I look at him and be like sir you know you
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don’t need to do that it’s like no no it’s not good you know someone’s got to
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take out the trash I got it mm-hmm this is a seat a guy that shouldn’t have
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been taking out trash for 25 years taking out the trash
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well is he picking up breath picking up brass taking out trash you know that’s
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that’s being humble yeah being humble goes a long way

Jason Stanley, “How Fascism Works”

Jason Stanley discusses his book, “How Fascism Works”, at Politics and Prose on 9/25/18.

In this clear and direct primer, Stanley, the award-winning author of How Propaganda Works, draws on a wide range of history, philosophy, sociology, and critical race theory to define fascism, explain its mechanisms, and help people identify its red flags. At its most basic level, fascism is simply a movement that achieves power by dividing a population. A country can have fascist strains without actually being fascistic, Stanley says, and he identifies myriad seeds of authoritarianism in U.S. history, from the Confederacy and the Jim Crow South—which inspired Hitler—to the more recent birther movement and the rise of Trump. More generally he cites ten hallmarks of fascism, such as the mythic past, propaganda, anti-intellectualism, and unreality; on the rise today, these must be resisted if we are to stop fascism from gaining hold here.

https://www.politics-prose.com/book/9…

Jason Stanley is the Jacob Urowsky Professor of Philosophy at Yale University. Before coming to Yale in 2013, he was Distinguished Professor in the Department of Philosophy at Rutgers University. Stanley is the author of Know How; Languages in Context; Knowledge and Practical Interests, which won the American Philosophical Association book prize; and How Propaganda Works, which won the PROSE Award for Philosophy from the Association of American Publishers. He is a frequent contributor to The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Boston Review, and The Chronicle of Higher Education, among other publications. Stanley lives in New Haven, Connecticut, with his family.

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so I you always hear to set it up you
always you I always hear people saying
well when when presidents a president
Trump take an example when his
supporters don’t realize they’re not
getting the material benefits they
expected they will throw you know he’ll
lose their support unfortunately that is
not how this kind of politics works it’s
not a politics of material benefit
it’s a politics of loyalty fascism is
about loyalty and power it replaces
material interests it replaces truth and
reality by loyalty and power ah as
Arendt says the fascists resemble Mafia
bosses they stock their administrations
with with family members and and and
people from their businesses because of
loyalty and that’s
Sisseton so I don’t look at people who
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do that and say they’re being
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inconsistent I say no good you’re being
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consistent because loyalty is your thing
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so uh so so what you what what in that
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chapter I believe in him klemper is
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talking about how much the psychological
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wages of German as’ tied your tied
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Germans to Hitler even well beyond the
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point at which they should of April 1945
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the Red Army is in the gates of Berlin
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and clampers trudging through the woods
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with a soldier missing an arm and he
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says to the soldier I guess it’s time to
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give up and the soldier says what do you
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mean Hitler’s got them trapped and
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klemper says what what the soldiers a
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young man he’s lost his arm you know
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what is he and Klemperer says uh and the
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soldier says yeah it’s Hitler’s
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birthday’s coming up and Hitler just
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meant to suck the Red Army in and trap
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them he’s never lied to us yet and
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klemper says he’d been lying
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consistently year after year after year
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after year I mean literally people would
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till the last moment I mean I’ve spent
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years of my life in Germany and I’ve met
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people who still believed in him so so
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you know the bond of loyalty
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what fascist politics tries to do is it
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tries to break down your any of your
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connection to your material interest and
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say well what you have is you have you
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national identity your ethnic identity
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and your bond with the leader and that’s
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why and and that bond is so powerful and
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so meaningful to people that they will
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you know they will just to see that they
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will like it will last through great
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trial and tribulation it will last you
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certainly the loss of their material
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interests and if you look at countries
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that suffer from fascist politics I
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would say Russia right now is one uh you
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can see that the leader becomes very
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popular even as people’s economic
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situation becomes worse so you can’t
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like wait around for oh you know when
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their health insurance gets taken away
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though no it doesn’t work like that I
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mean
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these are you know air Dewan in Turkey I
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mean these are leaders who win elections
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and they win elections by a politics of
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loyalty they win elections by lying so
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so so I’ll talk for five more minutes
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and then and then take questions so I’m
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going through so what I do in my book is
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I give you a template I give you a
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template of of sides I used to be I am
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an analytic philosopher but I’m not just
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one of the many things I am but I sort
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of like militantly did not pay attention
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to the world as my stepmother and my
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father would always remind me and so
until birtherism so my first New York
Times piece in 2011 was about birtherism
because I had read enough Arendt to
realize that was weird that shouldn’t
happen in a democracy and I recognized
the trap the trap is something that’s
familiar from the protocols of the
Elders design and my family both my
parents are Holocaust survivors my
mother and father two of my three
parents are Holocaust survivors and and
so obviously protocols the other design
is something you talk about in when
you’re very young and some advantages so
so so this trap of you know Hitler said
the the lying press the press is owned
by the Jews and you can tell because
they never talk about the prosperous so
very familiar I recognized it
immediately I mean it was like maybe I
should write something not on the left
parenthesis so so so in 2011 I wrote my
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first New York Times piece about that
the trap always works like this mr.
Trump President Trump when he came to
political consciousness he went on an
interview in Fox News and he said CNN is
controlled by the leftists and Obama you
can tell because they’re not talking
about birtherism that’s the same move
was made in the 30s the delusion plasa
the mainstream press you
they’re controlled by the Jews because
they don’t say they’re controlled by the
Jews law and justice party in uh in
Poland the hilariously miss named law
and justice party comes to power in 2015
in a country that had been whose
economic whose GDP had been going up
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Civic Platform has done very well so it
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wasn’t economic anxiety it’s not
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economic anxiety in Bavaria either but
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they came they did this move to I’m
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emphasizing this because comic pizza is
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right here uh so I can’t not talk about
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the conspiracy theories as a sign so so
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so what Piz did what law and justice did
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is there was a Smolensk disaster when
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which was admittedly horrific when a
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plane carrying all of Poland’s political
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leaders and business leaders and
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military leaders crashed and and and
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everyone was killed and there were about
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between 20 and 25 conspiracy theories
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about that crash it was pilot error
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it was pilot error but admittedly it was
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hard to believe it was pilot error so so
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law and justice Road that to power you
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know it was all about the conspiracy and
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it was the Communists and it was
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d’Arnaud communists in Poland but it was
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the car just like there were no comic
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very no communists very few communists
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in the American South but the KKK still
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acted like there were it was the
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Communists it was the Russians
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it was the Liberals who were who were
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hiding out hiding the real facts of who
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brought that plane down and you could
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tell that the newspapers were owned by
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the people who did it because they
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didn’t report on it and when I saw
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birtherism I was like oh yeah that’s
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familiar and conspiracy theories work in
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a weird way and I’ll end with us only in
deference to comet pizza conspiracy
theories function they functioned to
break down the epistemological spaces
they functioned to break down to their
their simple narratives that make sense
of of panic fear in Poland’s case
– and loss paranoia they’re not meant to
be taken at face value so Edgar Madison

Welch when he walked in so this is a
point that my colleague at UConn Michael
Lynch had made which I think is very
powerful he pointed out that when Edgar
Madison Welch walked in and and fired
three shots in that restaurant um three
or four shots I’m not exactly sure how
many uh I he was acting rationally right
if you thought that the Democratic Party
was running a child sex ring in the
basement of commet pizza by all means go
and free the child the children but he
was immediately denounced by Alex Jones
and everybody else as a spy for the
Democratic Party
so Michael Lynch makes this point to
point out conspiracy theories you’re
doing the wrong thing if you believe
them
they’re just supposed to make you you
know hate the target more they’re just
supposed to make you hate the target
more they’re not supposed to be believed
like that so what I do in my book is I
give you ten properties of fascist
politics the book is not about fascist
government I’m not saying you know you
could it’s about fascist and key and and
the difference being fascist government
fascist politics is tricky anyway
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because fascism is our power so fascism
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is a method to come to power people are
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always like well do you really believe
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that that does do do such and such
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people like President Trump do do they
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really believe you really believe he
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believes the things that other fascist
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movements uh believe uh and my response
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is it doesn’t matter because fascism
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isn’t about belief it’s about power so
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it doesn’t matter like its first hit me
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when I was reading Richard Grune burgers
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1975 work on fat banks thanks to my
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father’s library I have a rich
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collection of history sociology
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philosophy and psychology of the Nazis
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so much else but uh but he says many
people think of the Nazis as morally
pure anti-semites they were devoted you
know devoted to killing Jews and
definitely
believed in it and got up and were very
neat and but actually a lot of them were
just thugs
they were just mafia gangsters and they
didn’t care about killing Jews they
cared about money they cared about
Jewish art and property but they were
doing the devoted anti-semitism thing
they didn’t care about it what they
cared about was the profits they got
from it and that’s I think what we need
to focus on when we think about fascism
it’s a tactic it’s a way to delude us to
seize power and retain power and and and
it has it like the history in our own
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country thank you right he did he
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started his campaign in the in that in
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that county for the missus what was it
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Philadelphia Mississippi right then I
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forgot the name of the County Fair um
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but but we’re good we’re good men and
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Chaney were near we’re on a journey and
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certainly we have the welfare clean
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trope that you know the racial coding
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now I think that one thing you get so
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you have these really tripling down on
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on America’s racial history on America
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ground American racism in that camp in
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those campaigns you have militarism and
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you have and you have the and you have
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the aspect and you have something that
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is last chapter of my book social
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Darwinism which is connected in certain
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ways to economic libertarianism although
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it’s inconsistent in various ways but
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the idea is I talk about Hitler’s speech
the industrialists you know fascists
talk about winners and losers makers and
takers it’s all about you know who wins
has value who loses has no value so that
whole way of going on the other hand
Reagan does not explicitly you know
fascists are harshly on to
anti-democratic you don’t
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the enemy of the state you you have you
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okay to go on the Reagan I mean look
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there’s gonna be a lot of overlaps
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between social conservatives between
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various forms of conservativism and
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fascist politics but we can’t condemn
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everybody we can’t say it’s a spectrum
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fascist politics is a spectrum and and
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our familiar conservatives are gonna be
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on that spectrum just like just like
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Bernie Sanders is gonna be on the
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spectrum to something much more extreme
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I mean he’s on the spectrum to Denmark
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but yeah there are certain things he
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says that are too bad leftist
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authoritarianism so there is this
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spectrum and and I don’t mean to and we
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have in a liberal democracy we have to
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have social conservatives we have to
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have libertarians we have to have we
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have to have progressives and socialists
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we have to have this spectrum we’re
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gonna have this spectrum but what
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happens when you get something really
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worrisome which I don’t think you quite
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had you didn’t have with Reagan is when
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you have these different things I mean
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look at Reagan on immigration for
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instance I mean he isn’t demagoguing on
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immigration
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he isn’t when you have these overlaps
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when you have you know social
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conservatives business and corporate
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elites libertarians all coming together
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and nationalists coming together and
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saying let’s have a group you know a
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constellation and we might disagree on
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certain things but let’s unify and then
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you can get fascist constellations there
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but I I think you know I think Reagan
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had elements that are there like but
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also we have to remember that lots of
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Canuck just like you know you wouldn’t
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want to say that oh very socially
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progressive policies just because they
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do that in communist countries that’s
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communist
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so I wouldn’t want to paint Reagan as
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engaging in fascist politics he’s not
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harshly anti-democratic in the way that
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you you find with just respond really
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quickly I guess my my thing was the
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militarism and really the dangerous
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militarism during his empire is yeah
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but really the building of the empire
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and like the really the strong anti on
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this strong racist tone of things is
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really right and the and though and and
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those are overlaps and and i think a dis
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analogy now is you don’t find President
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Trump actually being as Empire oriented
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I mean it’s tricky there people will say
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I think now people use fascist politics
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they used to use it in in the 30s it was
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used to mobilize people for war
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now it’s used to demobilize people so
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it’s a tech it’s a set of techniques and
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you know and it overlaps with techniques
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and and and you know and people use some
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of them you know there’s a spectrum
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there’s a spectrum and and yeah I want
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to thank you I think this is a very
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important discussion and I’m from the
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Caribbean grew up in the Netherlands and
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it’s been a quite a significant amount
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of time they’re in a different type of
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Netherlands then it has become sadly
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enough right when I was the Netherlands
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if you had told him that characters I
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mean these guys would be twenty to
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thirty percent of the population
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literally people would lock you up and
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put you in a psychiatric institution say
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thinking too much you literally are you
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kind of lost it you know this is not
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what the Netherlands about we are you
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know civilized decent people although
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you know they have a very we have a very
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horrific history of colonialism which is
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not talked about at home but the issue
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is a few questions and these questions I
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think are provoked by some of the things
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you said I think you wanted something
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quite profound when you said that what
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we are dealing with now is a demobilized
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depoliticize and the ideologized pop
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population populations not only in
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America see if this was only happening
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in the United States okay okay but I’m
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so called fringe Dutch I mean between
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brackets right I’m from the Caribbean
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but so-called French Dutch um this
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France right the last elections right
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people were panicked that marine lepen
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walks into the White House right and we
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know if she walks there what is going to
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happen she’s not made she made it very
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clear from well you know one of the big
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problems I see is that in you
potentially the Muslims become the new
Jews absolutely you know the Muslims we
come to new Jews right
but the issue it at that I want to deal
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with here is a more profound issue that
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this type of fascism is indeed to
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mobilize the demobilize in essence what
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you have a mass talks about legitimize
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the crisis of the West right and the big
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problem is when you have a legitimate
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Christ is not taking place on one level
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alone right economic social political
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legal right moral ethical domestic
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international on all different levels
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the white West and not is facing crisis
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on crisis and crisis that are feeding
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back in and creating problems another
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problem that you have in a Western I
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think this is a major problem me and I
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didn’t think you touch on it is that if
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you look at the populations here right
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populations that are so-called
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Democratic you know I mean I’m glad you
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began claiming that the democracy always
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never much of anything at all it was
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much more a job to fool people and then
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in democracy the issue is that in these
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populations a long time twenty to thirty
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percent of the population remain quite
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fanatically right even look what
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happened to Communist Party in France
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right the communists moved move over to
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the fascists they didn’t tell you how
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how strong the Communist identity of
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brotherhood and sisterhood of rattle and
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stuff like that so I mean how do you see
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and the big problem of your face is that
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often these fascistic parties tend to be
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the most mobilized part of the
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population right right
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why well well well the majority of the
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party although somewhat against I mean
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Hitler never got a majority he always
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got forty percent but but they are
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highly mobilized and you only need forty
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in a small
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organized minority to create have
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everyone is scared I mean everybody’s
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killed so how do you see and do you see
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anywhere in the West at this point in
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time really
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they since the average trade unions are
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gone the socialist and communist party
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out are we and very few intellectuals in
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academics are really really speaking out
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as a really standing up here and say
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wait a minute here guys right you people
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in the Western or not you white people
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in a western or not right now I’m saying
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that’s kind of provocative because my
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part you know your apps a most European
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a most of the European descent but the
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issue is you
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white people in to not be very careful
what you’re doing right because you are
facing a massive influx of black and
brown people here because of global
warming what do you do when you across
that when you look at the Mediterranean
50 60 million Africans are about to come
genocide you fall back the default
position of genocide let me hear what
you guys said yeah let me just say one
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quick thing I’m gonna get another
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question there was a great series of
points that you raise the climate change
point Timothy Snyder talks about that at
the end of black earth he warns that
that’s our big and I talked about that
in my book as well picking up on Tim’s
on Snyder’s points that you know climate
change is gonna lead to immigration
crises that you know crises immigrant to
massive immigration that we’re gonna
have to deal with but let me say
something about the point of oh you know
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the majority minority point that oh soon
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the countries give me a
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majority-minority president Trump and
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his campaign always emphasized that you
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know uh my colleague Jen Richardson the
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great social psychologist she she has
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done this experiment she’s on a number
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of experiments on the on this she showed
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she when you get she presents white
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Americans with three three questions
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three different groups of white
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Americans the first she says in 2042 the
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Netherlands will become majority
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minority the second group she says in
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2042 the United States will become
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majority senior citizen and the third
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group she says in 2042 the United States
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will become majority minority and then
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she asked him a series of political
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questions the first two groups don’t
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change their MA they did they their
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politics doesn’t change that she gets a
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test of them before what their political
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leanings are the third group of white
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Americans that’s presented with the
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information in the United States is
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gonna become majority minority becomes
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more becomes again more against the firm
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ative action more against the air for
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immigration and interestingly because
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Jen Richardson is a genius she added
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this they become much more in favor of
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increased defense spending so so that oh
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we’re going to become majority minority
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it it enables right-wing politics or a
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certain kind of politics maybe not right
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wing but that could you talk a little
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bit more about what appears to be
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increased white anxiety and white
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feelings of white victimization and how
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does how to talk a little bit about
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Trump’s role is he a symptom of
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something that’s going to continue after
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him or what happens to fascist movements
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when leaders disappear ah
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you know that’s that’s that’s re they
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always have succession crises but I but
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I’d you know we have more Trump’s so
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there so but he is an expert a real
skilled expert at milking white anxiety
there was that quote that he that he and
and the psychological wages of whiteness
point like remember that thing he said I
remember I don’t remember when he said
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it but you know he said something about
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poor white trash and someone someone
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said what is that he said like me except
poor so that connect he’s I have great
respect for his rhetorical political
abilities
we’re always it we always have this
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nascent the dominant group
I mean think of the men’s rights
movement I mean is there any more
aggrieved group on earth than men when
their representation in the Senate goes
from 98 to like 83 or whatever 75 you
know you know just look at how men act
and you know and you know and that’s
what’s going on and that’s what happens
it’s all look at France the example of
France there’s a good example you know
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the the aggrieved the you know we’re
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losing our culture we’re losing our so
that’s a big one chapter in my book is
called victimhood and it’s all about
this it’s a whole chapter just about
this could you wouldn’t would you agree
that an important benchmark for
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authoritarian is in this country might
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have its roots in Eisenhower’s farewell
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address in 1960 I guess in which the
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leading General in the world
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representing the strongest country in
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the world
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I spoke about this fear and then
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subsequent to that you had three of our
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foremost civil rights leaders slain
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under dubious circumstances the official
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narrative which only thirty and thirty
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percent of Americans believe and then
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you had this Vietnam War and there were
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protests all over the country or there
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were cities burning there were people
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killed at Kent State and now we have
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multiple Wars and nobody says a word so
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what’s your take on this so I have a lot
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in my book on Nixon
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so I’m when I talk give talks on that
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people because Nixon is a model for
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Trump President Trump of course I mean
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law and order politics you know Nixon
misses miss rep you know there’s a whole
protest misrepresented as riots think of
Baltimore 2015 so I talk in my book
about how Fox News described uses the
word riot use the word riot seven out of
every 1000 words
in describing Baltimore what happened in
Baltimore and protests only two words
out of 1000 CNN used them roughly
equally around three and a half words
per 1000 riot and protest and MSNBC used
riot two words out of 1,000 and protests
almost four words out of 1000 to
describe Baltimore to this radical
partisan difference in descriptions of
political protests the sixties you
really saw that you know so much so that
someone of my age I’ve been 36 for 12
years ah is I can’t even say Detroit
protests cuz it doesn’t come out of my
mouth because I was raised in schools
that just taught me Detroit riots you
know but then you you have Kathryn
Bigelow’s movie then you realize an
actual history they were protests and
you know you just focused on like one
you know a few people doing bad things
and you paint them a certain way so the
sixties Nixon’s campaign you know again
my books not about fascist government is
about fascist politics I think you see
with Nixon a lot of use of fascist
politics and I’m sure you couldn’t go
back because as I’ve been saying this is
us it’s not them do
you think the history of the the take on
Lyndon Johnson Lyndon Johnson might get
a more critical view because he kind of
laid the groundwork for Nixon and and
his involvement in the war his refusal
46:29
to get out of it the pressures that kept
46:32
in a minute so so in in in in a week in
46:35
October 12th at Harvard bookstore I’ll
46:37
be in discussion with Elizabeth Hinton
46:38
who’s who has written the greatest book
46:41
about the domestic policies of job
46:44
Johnson and and Nixon from the war on
46:48
poverty the war on crime the making a
46:50
mass incarceration in America and that’s
46:52
about the domestic policies so it’s a
46:54
different point you’re asking about the
46:55
foreign policy but I think on domestic
46:57
policy you know there are some issues
47:00
with Johnson that lead to Nixon as well
47:04
I mean John a lot of Johnson’s projects
47:07
in the in in cities were with minority
47:13
populations we’re sort of like here’s
47:15
how to learn to pull off here’s how to
47:17
act like someone with a job or something
47:19
like that rather than providing people
47:21
jobs you know which is like you know
47:24
trumpet was smart and you know could you
47:26
imagine Trump going to like rural
47:27
Michigan and being like I’m going to
47:29
teach you how to act like bankers no he
47:32
wasn’t doing that
47:34
so so right so so I Nixon I talk and so
47:38
those are interesting questions in the
47:39
Hinton book I think talks about the
47:42
hints of Nixon and Johnson while giving
47:45
him credit for certain things so first I
47:49
just want to say thank you for coming to
47:50
talk tonight who’s really interesting
47:52
and so my question is or first I’ll just
47:56
say on you mentioned that a key tactic
47:59
of fascists is to caricature the
48:01
center-left has been communists but I
48:05
feel like it seemed to me that you made
48:08
that same mistake when you talked about
48:10
how when you talked about opposition to
48:14
unions because that seems like a pretty
48:17
mainstream right dumb view to be opposed
48:20
to unions right I didn’t mean to I I
48:22
don’t mean to say that each so there’s
48:25
ten different aspects to fascism each
48:27
one of those aspects is going to be
48:29
familiar
48:30
from ordinary conservative father’s okay
48:31
it’s the combination but it just didn’t
48:35
occur to me that opposition to labor
48:37
unions is a uniform feature of all
48:40
fascism I learned that in doing the
48:42
research for my book so no you can have
48:45
good sound economic reasons you know
48:47
there are good for each of these things
48:49
you know for each of these properties
48:51
for you can be I mean some of the
48:55
hierarchy some of the chapters about
48:57
racial hierarchies okay that’s pretty
48:59
fascist but but you know as I say in my
49:02
book economic libertarianism overlaps
with fascism on social Darwinism like
winners have value losers don’t but
they’re different in other ways like
consistent libertarian will never
generalize to groups and say you know
white people have more value than
non-whites because they work harder and
win more you know so so there are these
overlaps and you know I just think it so
screams out from you from the literature
it’s just universal that’s you know you
go to Portugal and you go to their
49:33
Museum and Lisbon and they talk about
49:35
the attack and labor unions and you know
49:38
it’s so universal and you has to be
49:40
mentioned but of course you can
49:42
criticize labor unions and not be a
49:43
factor yeah thank you and for each of
49:45
these thank you we are your parents uh
49:50
well my stepmother is here and she
49:55
helped a lot with the book she gave me
49:59
she gave me and my brother-in-law’s is
50:01
there where you are profound and you are
50:04
brilliant and I think your parents your
50:07
family should and friend should be very
50:08
very proud of you
50:10
now I’m well read on reconstruction but
50:14
the issue that you spoke about with
50:16
respect to anti unions and wealthy
50:21
whites in the north coming down that I
50:25
have not read about and do not know
50:27
about I knew you know certainly with
50:29
Rutherford putting the nail in the
50:30
casket and you know wanting to a peace
50:34
to south and pulling the troops all
50:35
right so that he could win the election
50:37
I want you to talk a little bit more
50:39
about the north in
50:42
you know coming against the the labor
50:45
unions and I wanted to get your take on
50:49
what happened in Charleston with the
50:52
massacre at you know mother Emanuel
50:57
Church as well as what happened in
50:59
Charlottesville
51:00
because after listening to you you do
51:03
see a theme and when you know Trump come
51:06
you could say the most horrible thing
51:08
about McCain
51:09
I prefer winners in people who don’t get
51:12
duh you know yeah so so I’ve been
51:19
spending more time lately for my sins
51:22
with former members of Nazi parties and
51:26
I mean I was a so a friend of mine is
51:29
Tony Mack Lear the director of like
51:31
executive director of life after hate he
51:33
spent 20 or so years as a Nazi and
remarkable man and he’s very clear that
the law I mean I think we all know this
from David Duke the long-term goal of
the American Nazi Party was to to be
respectable and for that they had to
have people who were not respectable
so Tony Mack Lear said at one talk I won
symposium we’re out together he said the
first time I was on Montel Williams I
was a skinhead with combat boots and
tattoos the second time I wore a suit
and he explains that you need the
killers the radicals out there to say
that’s not us you’re seeing this all
over you’re up now you know the Austrian
Kurt Sebastian Kurtz all what happens is
that the right wing parties are like
we’re not not white supremacists the
white supremacists are the ones actually
killing people the ones marching on the
streets were respectable we’re in
government were in and but they need
each other so the in order for the for
the people in power who are pushing
white supremacy to plausibly deny that
they’re white supremacists they need
Charlotte’s VLEs because they need to
say no no those are
supremacists and Tony McLaren explain
that this is long been the strategy I
know of of the American Nazi Party and
it’s and and David black the former the
the son of the storm front founder is
also very clear about this he’s like he
says what we hear from our leadership is
the kind of things that we always he
said our target audience was always the
person who said I’m not a racist but dot
dot dot so you need you need the
charlottesville and the horror of
Charleston which is unspeakable horror
of Charleston because those provide
plausible deniability to white supremacy
and power and and we know those of us
who study history and and who are a
woman of color as I am and a descendent
of people who were enslaved both or
53:50
maternal returns so we always knew in
53:52
the communities and certainly in the
53:53
South when people when the KKK took off
53:56
those hoods they were your local doctor
53:58
you’ll put your Sheriff your policemen
54:01
your store owners you know not all of
54:04
them but these were the respectable
54:07
people and it was the hood that allowed
54:10
them to to you know to really crucify
54:14
and you know and hang people and uh so
54:17
we I mean the wisdom of the black
54:19
American tradition guides me in my book
54:21
I mean I to be wells oh absolutely
54:25
that’s Du Bois obviously I probably owe
54:30
boys today but it’s he earned yes so so
54:38
because that those it’s that literature
54:43
that you get the insight into the form
54:46
fascism takes here and so someone from
54:49
like me who’s from Europe the certain
54:52
sort of particular masks fascism wears
54:57
here that’s something you really need
54:59
the black American literature to
55:01
understand but thank you for your work
55:03
and thank your parents
55:07
and my brother finds out it earlier this
55:16
year I read another book by a
55:17
psychologist named Steven Pinker called
55:20
enlightenment now staring me in the face
55:22
right over there and in the book he
55:26
argues that the world is getting better
55:30
and better and this is the best time to
55:33
be alive the best time to be born and he
55:36
extolled the virtues of of the future
55:38
and so I want to you know ask you what
55:43
what you feel about that how what’s your
55:45
response to that and are you optimistic
55:48
about the future I mean you’re talking
55:49
about possible fascism in this country
55:52
so let me quote my my father’s book the
55:54
technological conscience where he says
55:58
pessimism is very much the humanistic
56:01
view he says I am a pessimist pessimism
56:04
is very much the humanistic view so so
56:09
that’s just to say that I think that I
56:12
think Pinker I mean we could go on about
56:14
Pinker I’m not going to I think that
56:16
when you count you know says err already
56:19
does a takedown of Pinker a long time in
56:23
in famiiy this is that what’s this is
56:29
our book I’m just blanking
56:31
well discourse on Colonials do you thank
56:34
you so uh so and discourse and
56:36
colonialism where he’s like you know you
56:37
count you tell us about the diseases
56:41
you’ve cured you tell us about the you
56:44
know the new food that we access from
56:46
Europe and yet what about the religion
56:49
you destroyed what about you know the
56:51
traditions you eliminated what about the
56:54
ways of life you laid waste to can you
56:57
count those you know so Pinker it’s just
57:01
like no it only matters if you can count
57:02
it dignity doesn’t count you can’t count
57:04
dignity so you’ll also find me
57:07
criticizing Pinker in recent years
57:09
Pinker is very as a Pinker has not all
57:12
to write himself but Pinker does have a
57:15
lot of all right fans if you look at
57:17
Pinker’s views about the IQ debate their
57:19
problem i mean
57:20
as you’ll find some stuff on Pinker
57:22
there um you know this idea of we have
57:26
to face you know we have to face the
57:28
facts of difference nature I mean I
57:31
think he’s right that you know I’m not
57:33
for banning discussions but the
57:35
fascination that he has with the IQ
57:37
debate is something that I think is kind
57:39
of worrisome so and I’m worried about
57:42
the sort of technocratic way of
57:44
measuring human value that said in any
57:47
country that had the civil rights
57:49
movement and I mean if I did had to do
57:52
the civil rights movement I definitely
57:53
would have done it in Vermont but they
57:55
chose like Alabama and Mississippi so
57:57
given that I feel quite safe in the
58:00
United States ultimately I feel
58:02
optimistic because this is a country
58:04
that did that so the labor movement you
58:09
know Jane Addams I just wanted to make
58:14
two brief comments one about giving
58:18
value to things and if we really just
58:21
take a quick scan of history going back
58:25
to as far as we can go back it seems
58:28
like human life does not have a lot of
58:30
value it in just that’s just a general
58:36
comment and if we look at capitalism and
58:42
the globalization of everything and all
58:46
these wars and like you said there’s two
58:49
wars going on Noma and I’ve said this to
58:51
myself why is no one talking about our
58:54
troops that we still have in Afghanistan
58:56
and Iraq and in these places then
58:59
they’re still getting blown to pieces
59:00
and I know because my first job out of
59:04
college I worked at the VA hospital in
59:06
the 70s when the guys were first coming
59:08
back from Vietnam so that’s just what I
59:13
want to say about the value of human
59:15
life now on a lighter side I would like
59:19
to say which you which you said about
59:23
Dubois and then you said about the new
59:27
push for Black Studies in colleges and
59:31
that it was going to replace Shakespeare
59:34
yeah yeah I know it’s just it’s just a
59:37
joke but I just wanted to play on that
59:40
because it from my experience and having
59:45
done like studies and everything else
59:50
there’s a lot of credit and study given
59:55
to Shakespeare people who write Ln Locke
59:59
Dubois a little bit too much yeah and
60:03
also I wanted to say that most of our
60:07
most appreciated african-american actors
60:12
studied Shakespeare to the hilt
60:16
you know the most excellent Shakespeare
60:21
no I mean I mean that God is ultimately
60:23
you know I mean the great Jeffrey
60:25
Stewart Alain Locke biography talks
60:28
about I mean Locke won the sort of
60:30
literary prize at Harvard for for
60:32
something on its hat on Irish Irish
60:35
poetry and he gave a talk in a black
60:37
church in Cambridge saying look the
60:40
Irish created the greatest were were
60:42
colonized and oppressed and their
60:44
revenge was to create the greatest
60:46
English language literature and poetry
60:48
and he’s obviously encouraging taking
60:51
that as a speaking Paul Dunlop I think
60:54
it was also electrode and Dunlop right
60:56
absolutely so right and of course Dubois
60:59
sort of takes that to extreme the
61:00
extreme with the talented tenth so I I
61:03
don’t mean to by the way Pinker is a
61:05
liberal Pinker and I have family
61:07
disputes ultimately he’s a technocratic
61:09
liberal of a certain kind I have family
61:11
disputes with him but he’s obviously
61:14
gent in some general sense on my side
61:18
what he’s all right he’s all tracked
61:23
know the alt are certain aspects of
61:25
Pinker that the alt-right pick up on
61:29
that you know the the stuff which is a
61:32
danger of the messaging so I’m not he’s
61:35
definitely not all right he’s it’s that
61:37
you got to be careful I mean one should
61:41
be sensitive to the messages that like
61:45
Pinker said recently
61:47
I think it was in Davos and a panel
61:50
where he said you know the alt-right are
61:52
really bright tech-savvy people who come
61:55
to college and realize there are certain
61:57
topics that you’re not allowed to talk
61:59
about and then they feel shocked and
62:02
then they become all trite that’s the
62:05
kind of I think that was an
62:06
irresponsible comment of course he’s on
62:08
my side but I just think that’s an
62:10
irresponsible comment of course that’s a
62:11
comment that makes some people you know
62:14
that he does not agree with it puts them
62:17
in so that’s that’s that’s that’s all
62:20
I’m saying ultimately we can’t have
62:22
these family disputes between different
62:24
stripes of liberals and so I don’t want
62:27
to do that though I do want to say I
62:29
don’t think that’s why people become
62:30
alright we are unfortunately out of time
62:36
for questions although if you want to
62:38
make a brief question make it really
62:40
quick them we can fit it in the question
62:46
is for you to elaborate maybe we don’t
62:48
have time for any more elaboration on
62:51
anti-intellectualism which was one of
62:53
the 10 I guess that you have and you
62:55
didn’t really say much about it and it’s
62:57
a case that I see certain parallels with
63:00
the sort of the were the Left
63:05
philosophies of I don’t know class
63:08
warfare and I mean I think it seems like
63:11
now was an anti-intellectual yeah many
63:14
respects yeah I mean I think I think
63:17
that I what you get in fascist ideology
63:23
is is like the straightforward fascist
63:28
ideology is about appealing to emotion
63:34
not that there’s some emotions can be
63:37
perfectly rational as Martha respond
63:38
others as many philosophers would tell
63:40
you but the idea is to cut off reasoning
63:44
by you know fear panic and and and just
63:47
and then just replace and show you and
63:50
then present yourself as like the
63:51
solution you got this very explicitly
63:54
discussing you know in in meine Kampf
63:56
Hitler talks about you know propaganda
63:58
should appeal to you know the least
64:00
educated
64:01
so you know the idea that it’s the least
64:03
educated your who’s your who your
64:06
audience or no talk you know essentially
64:08
that’s what you want to appeal to Bannen
64:10
said you know we want unlock her up
64:13
build a wall you know we won on that but
64:16
there’s a kind what why I talk about me
64:19
anti-intellectual chapter is this all
64:22
across the world right now we’re seeing
64:24
in these condo countries I discuss
64:26
attacks on universities for being
64:28
bastions of liberalism feminism European
64:33
University of st. Petersburg was closed
64:35
down because of gender studies Central
64:38
European University was was attacked
64:42
because they’re spreading liberalism so
64:45
this kind of thing when you find
64:46
universities harshly targeted as
64:48
bastions of leftism and you know now of
64:52
course sometimes they are not Yale but
64:55
the the yell is a great place it’s not
64:59
that but you know when you find this
65:03
hysteria about this area about communism
65:05
being being directed at universities and
65:10
the media you know and fanned now it
65:13
takes the form of Gender Studies panic
65:15
about Gender Studies because that’s just
65:18
like Masha Gessen is clear about that in
65:20
her 2017 book that Gender Studies just
65:24
seems to be and and you know Pat McCrory
65:26
in North Carolina did that he said we’re
65:29
not gonna have this tax governor in
65:30
North Carolina said they were not gonna
65:31
be taxpayers paying for gender studies
65:34
or Swahili so so the idea is is you know
65:41
so you target universities in your
65:43
politics now all authoritarians target
as you say target universities in our
politics because universities are places
where young people protest against older
people and so that’s gonna be something
65:56
that that as I get older I recognize the
65:59
wisdom of seeing that as a problem but
66:03
yeah thank you
66:05
[Applause]
66:20
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