Historically, American Racists Groups grow after Wars

Clashing ideologies about the meaning of democracy in America are no less harrowing than the events of January 6. Journalist Bill Moyers, a 30-time Emmy Award winner, shares his views and concerns in the new PBS documentary “Preserving Democracy,” airing tomorrow. Moyers speaks with Hari Sreenivasan alongside historian Kathleen Belew – who also appears in the film – about the insurrection and the danger of a recurrence.

Professor bellew you have researched extensively
how white power movements in the united
states how they basically intersected
with politics how powerful they’ve been
at times and how
seemingly weak at other times
what is the reason
why there seems to be a resurgence now
so in addition to many contextual
factors that we face today ranging from
covet to economic crisis to black lives
matter protests to all of these things
that act as push factors for activists
to enter these groups we’re also living
through a sort of cyclical relationship
with vigilante and white power activity
if you look back through the long run of
american history the uh peaks in clan
and other groups similar groups um in
pixar memberships align more
consistently with the aftermath of
warfare than they do with any other
more consistently than
they align with poverty immigration
civil rights gains economic distress
populism any other number of
explanations that we might test out
don’t hold up as well as the aftermath
of war

now it turns out that that phenomenon
cuts across simply people who have
served it’s not just about returning
although returning veterans and
active duty troops have played an
outsized role in escalating the violent
capacity of white power groups over time

but what we find is that all of us are
more violent in the aftermath of warfare

that measure goes across men and women
across age across who did and did not
serve in war so there is this moment of
opportunity after warfare that these
groups capitalize on in order to recruit
and radicalize now we are now
in the aftermath of the longest war
our latest longest war as one historian
has called it
the war in afghanistan and what we’ve
seen is a very prolonged sort of combat
where the people
fighting this war have come home
um and been largely not acknowledged
within our culture
we have not watched
coffins draped in american flags coming
home we have not followed the war on
television the way we did in prior
combat so what does that mean are we
going to see a sort of delayed
uh surge that then peaks all at once are
we going to see all of these people come
together in peak we don’t know but
certainly we are in the middle of a
rising ground swell and certainly we are
experiencing one of these historical
bill do you think that
there is
any scenario
the forces from within the united states
to be more powerful in
destroying the union than forces from
by that i mean not just
questioning the veracity of our
suppressing the rights of people to vote
i mean these are these are not things
that an external force is foisting upon
us these are things that we are choosing
right now
the nature of what we consider democracy
one of the
presidents who experienced backlash
grover cleveland wrote a letter to a
friend of his and said the great ship of
like other vessels
may be sunk
by the mutiny of those on board and
that’s where the danger has always been
the shay’s rebellion the secession of of
of the south didn’t come from abroad it
came from people who want to keep
slavery and keep and want to destroy the
union and and we still have we these are
secessionists by other means
and they really don’t like the union i
don’t cover my wall in
nice wallpaper paintings i covered in
clippings i i keep the clippings taped
to the wall and the clippings are
astonishing our constitutional pricing
is already here the shining city on a
hill is ready to ignite america is
closer to civil war than any of us would
like to believe cia advisors says
democracy on the edge on and on
it’s frightening
trump is systematically laying the
groundwork to steal the 2024 election
trump’s next coup has already begun
republicans are erasing decades of
voting rights gains before our eyes in
assaults on democracy state law makers
target the courts georgia republicans
purge democrats from county election
boys we receive these in the media in in
bits and pieces we see them in segments
but they constitute a critical mass of
change determined by people who want
who want to take this country back as
they say take it back from people of
color take it back from progressives
take it back from
advocates of civil rights equal rights
and it’s very very dangerous i think
that’s absolutely right and i wish that
there was a feature on twitter or tiktok
or somewhere where people get their news
um that where it’s just you reading
these headlines because it’s the
aggregation of all of these stories that
really sounds the alarm and you know one
question i get asked a lot because i’m a
specialist in in the violent extremist
part of what we saw on january 6
is about you know relative amounts of
danger but you could subscribe to every
story about say the proud boys and only
be reading a tiny fraction of the
problem because it’s not just that it’s
the entire groundswell of white power
and militant right activity plus the
attack on voting rights plus the chain
of command issues and national guard
units which we’ve also seen and things
like the south dakota governor sending
the national guard
under the funding of a private donor to
do border enforcement um in in ron
desantis call for a non-national guard
state militia quote unquote for florida
and we see those sovereignty struggles
mirrored in groups on the extreme right
that don’t recognize the federal
government or any authority higher than
than the local sheriff we’re at a crisis
point that just boggles understanding i
want to play a clip from the film that
talks about
a coup is still possible let’s take a
january 6 is now a fact of our history
if it was possible to have a failed
coup on january 6th it’s also possible
to have a successful coup it sounds very
simple but it’s a huge change democracy
if it is anything at all
it is losers consent people who lose
and they try again next time
trump still hasn’t really conceded the
2020 election what the 2020 election
revealed was that the rules that govern
this are very loose and very and rely on
norms of self-restraint and forbearance
once you discover how to steal an
election it’s hard to unlearn that
lesson and so that’s why i think looking
forward this is one of the greatest
risks facing our democracy
we have had hearings we’ve had
investigations we’ve had a number dozens
of arrests of people who were involved
absent from that are any of the elected
gave support to this uh helped plan it
what do you think
that says
if there is such a carve out so to speak
professor baloo i’ll start with you
i think this is where we see the sort of
two goals of the process
of accountability really articulated
because we have to pay attention both to
the individuals who committed violence
on january 6
and to the sort of planning mechanisms
accountability questions especially
among our elected officials
my hope is that that is what the january
6th commission will be able to begin to
deliver perhaps the lawsuit
by the attorney general can begin to
deliver some of that information
but what we have to ask is when we have
that information
what kind of dent can we make in the
false narrative that has now been so
circulated in the body politic and i
think this goes back to a bigger
question about the long history of white
supremacy in the united states
we are
by far
not the only nation that struggles with
white supremacy racial violence racial
injustice and incomplete articulations
of democracy there are many other
countries who have faced these issues
but we are very unusual
in how little we have done to have a
real national conversation about that
shared history and you can see this
appearing across the political spectrum
i mean i think even the slogan make
america great again is at its bottom an
argument about history who america is
what america is when we were great can
greatness be achieved again these are
historical arguments that require us to
have an idea of the shared legacies that
we bring into the present moment and
these deep histories of anti-democracy
conflicts about sovereignty and power
all of those conversations have to
happen for all of this
to get resolved because that public
opinion needle can’t move until we
confront some of these problems this is
what i think fuels the division and
polarization that is is the real issue
here well i’m not
a pessimist i’m not giving up on
i i deal with the we all deal with the
bad news the anecdote i don’t know if
it’s true or not but the story is told
that in the middle of the waterloo
campaign uh napoleon said to his uh
his uh his valet if if if if the news
from the front is
good do not wake me if the news from the
front is not good wake me immediately
you want to hear the bad news i want to
hear the bad news that’s why i do the
journalism i do not because i love
dwelling in in the bad news but i
believe in informed people who know the
difference between a lie and the truth
are the are are the people who are going
to save us and that includes republicans
and that includes democrats this
includes independence we need a mass
mobilization to save the constitution if
i if i can put it that way that’s why
this fight that professor lewis so
eloquently written and talked about is
important to recapture the discussion
and debate of history so that we look
and see ourselves for what we’ve done
wrong at the same time we look and see
the brave men and women who fought to
change it and we can imitate them in
many many ways that goes for lawyers it
goes for journalists it goes for
everyday people down where what their
main contribution is to stand in line
and long on a long cold morning and vote
that’s what we need in this country is
to instill to invigorate to challenge
with the whole idea of what democracy is
it’s about us it’s about you and me if
we can do that and see the elements that
are threatening it
we’re going to be
okay the film preserving democracy airs
on pbs stations on january 6th
professor kathleen blue bill moyers
thank you both

Charlie Kirk: With each day, he comes closer to just saying the 14 words



Fourteen Words14, or 14/88, is a reference to two 14-word slogans set forth and popularized through 14 Word Press — “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children“,[1] followed by secondary (and less commonly used) slogan: “Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.” Both originated with American white supremacist David Lane,[2] one of nine members of the defunct domestic terrorist group The Order,[3] and serve as a rallying cry for militant white nationalists across the globe.[4] The 8s in the latter half of “14/88” have been used outside of 14 Word Press to represent the eighth letter of the alphabet (H), and “HH” stands for “Heil Hitler“.[5]

The two slogans were coined while Lane was serving a 190-year sentence in federal prison for violating the civil rights of Jewish talk show host Alan Berg, who was murdered by another member of the group in June 1984.[6][7] The slogans were publicized through now-defunct 14 Word Press, founded in 1995 by Lane’s wife to disseminate her husband’s writings.[8][9]


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He’s already there. If anything, “protect white demographics” is MORE explicitly supremacist.


What are your thoughts on Florida governor Ron DeSantis signing a bill requiring Florida students and professors to register their political views with the state?

What will undoubtedly happen now is that Florida will lose billions of dollars as students will go to other states to attend college and businesses and research companies will locate elsewhere. Isn’t that fun? Equally amusing: cruise lines cannot ask whether someone is vaccinated before boarding, but schools can ask students what political party they support. Dystopia squared.

To conclude: when you’re punishing educational institutions for failing to produce drones that dutifully parrot your bankrupt ideology, what you are is a Nazi. Your mom must be so proud you went to Harvard and Yale. Ron DeSantis – Wikipedia

I see a lot of Florida college students and/or educators lawsuits coming to sue DeSantis for violating their privacy. Since it’s entirely unconstitutional…

“Hatemonger”: Author Jean Guerrero on Stephen Miller, Trump’s White Nationalist Immigration Henchman

A new book on Stephen Miller, the architect of the Trump administration’s unprecedented attack on immigrant communities and the immigration system, describes the White House adviser as a dangerous man bringing white nationalist ideology to the highest levels of government. “This is what shapes the immigration policy,” says Jean Guerrero, author of “Hatemonger: Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, and the White Nationalist Agenda.” Miller, descended from Jewish immigrants, has been obsessed with fighting multiculturalism since his teenage years and has steadily climbed the right-wing political ladder to become one of Donald Trump’s most trusted associates. He is credited with many of Trump’s most vicious anti-immigrant policies, including separating immigrant children from their parents. “Stephen Miller primarily has been targeting families,” says Guerrero. “It becomes clear that for Stephen Miller, this is not about national security, this is not about keeping out criminals. This is about reengineering the ethnic flows into this country to keep Brown and Black families out.”

Ex-White Nationalist Says Tucker Carlson Hits Far-Right Messaging “Better Than They Have”

By family history and his own early bona fides, Derek Black was slated to have a successful career in white nationalism, as far as those things go. Black’s father, Don, is the founder of the oldest neo-Nazi website, the now-shuttered Stormfront; and was a grand wizard in the KKK; a member of the American Nazi Party; and was convicted in 1981 for attempting to overthrow the government of the Caribbean island of Dominica, part of a long dream for white nationalists to establish their own government. Derek Black’s mother, Chloe, was once married to David Duke.

As a child, Black, gifted as a coder, created a version of Stormfront for kids, and as a young man, hosted a talk show on the website. In 2008, as a 19-year-old, Black won a seat on the Palm Beach County Republican Executive Committee, although he was ultimately denied the position after the party learned of his background. According to reporter Eli Saslow, who wrote the book Rising Out of Hatred about Black, the young white nationalist had a serious influence on his father:

“One of Derek’s most lasting and damaging impacts on this white nationalist movement is that he convinced his father to scrub Stormfront of all racial slurs, all Nazi insignia … Derek thought the way [they were] going to reach more people is, instead of of using this kind of language, [they] need to play to this false, but unfortunately, very widely spread sense of white grievance that still exists in big parts of this country.”

But at the age of 24, Black disavowed white nationalism, writing in a letter to the Southern Poverty Law Center that he had abandoned the movement, citing experiences in college and extended conversations with Jewish friends as factors that led him from his former beliefs: “I acknowledge that things I have said as well as my actions have been harmful to people of color, people of Jewish descent, activists striving for opportunity and fairness for all, and others affected.”

All this to say, Black knows a thing or two about the rhetoric and long-term planning of the white-nationalist movement in America. And in a segment on The Van Jones Show this weekend, Black claimed that Fox News host Tucker Carlson is doing a better job at promoting whitenationalist rhetoric than SPLC–bona fide white nationalists are:

“It’s really, really alarming that my family watches Tucker Carlson show once and then watches it on the replay because they feel that he is making the white nationalist talking points better than they have and they’re trying to get some tips on how to advance it.”

Carlson has been accused of forwarding the agenda of white nationalists before: In August 2018, the Fox News host ran an erroneous segment about white farmers in South Africa pushed off their land, a conspiracy theory widely circulated in far-right circles. Carlson has objected to the removal of Confederate statues; defended the social network Gab, which has been described as “Twitter for Racists;” and in December 2018, he claimed that immigrants are making America “dirtier.” In February, the white nationalist site VDARE thanked Carlson for name-checking them in a segment about deplatforming — the Fox News host simply referred to the site as a “publication” — and in March, leaked chat messages of the white-nationalist group Identity Evropa showed that members believe “Tuck” is “our guy” and has “done more for our people than most of us could ever hope to.”

Whether or not it’s intentional, Carlson’s status as a megaphone for white-nationalist ideas comes in tandem with a rise in far-right violence in the United States: According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s most recent accounting, there are now 112 neo-Nazi groups, 148 white-nationalist groups, 63 racist skinhead groups, and 36 neo-Confederate organizations active in America. Nor is the phenomenon limited to the U.S.: The New Zealand mosque shooter that killed 50 consumed a media diet loaded with white-nationalist rhetoric.

‘Game of Thrones’ was an imperfect show that was perfect for its era

In the beginning, it could have been mistaken for a conventional fairy tale about a virtuous man battling the corruption in his kingdom — until Ned Stark (Sean Bean) lost his head.

.. Characters shifted from victims to protagonists to antiheroes in a way that gave some viewers whiplash, a dynamic that came to a head when Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke) and her dragon burned a city in the show’s penultimate episode. “Game of Thrones” was a show about trauma and the consequences of treating women as sexual objects — yet the series had a bad tendency to ogle bits and pieces of minor female characters rather than treat them as people.

..Whether you think “Game of Thrones” was a success or a failure largely depends on what you thought the show was trying to do.

.. “Game of Thrones” debuted in 2011, at an inflection point for American television and American politics. Later-stage Golden Age antihero dramas such as “Mad Men” and “Breaking Bad were heading toward their conclusions and the idea of Republican “war on women” was taking hold on the left. During the series’ run, Hillary Clinton suffered a shocking loss to Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election; white nationalism surged back into public life; the #MeToo movement exposed the prevalence and impact of sexual violence; climate change took on a new and apocalyptic urgency; and a spike in television production splintered the water-cooler conversation possibly beyond repair.

As a result, “Game of Thrones” took on a prismatic quality. Turn it one way and the series was an argument that trauma gave its female characters moral authority; shift it just slightly, and the show suggested that they couldn’t transcend the damage that had been inflicted on them

..  The White Walkers, the show’s uber-supernatural villains, stood in for the perils of climate change — until they were vanquished with a single blow. The slaves Daenerys liberated in the early seasons of the show were props in a white-savior narrative until they were invoked as proof that she would never break bad. The show’s cultural footprint suggested that rolling out a television show week by week was still the best way to create community around art. Or its viewership numbers, modest by historical standards, could be evidence for an argument that our culture has fragmented beyond repair.

.. And our struggles to figure out whether men such as Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) deserve forgiveness for their past bad acts are a lower-stakes version of the questions raised by the early stages of our national reckoning with sexual assault.

.. Another version of “Game of Thrones” might have offered more decisive arguments about the subjects it raised, or avoided ogling and other artistic pitfalls. That show might have become a cult favorite, but without its intellectual ambiguities and spots of bad taste, it never would have become a phenomenon. “Game of Thrones” caught viewers by surprise when it eliminated its supernatural Big Bad so early in its final season and left the characters to work out their messy, entirely human differences. When the credits roll on Sunday, “Game of Thrones” will leave viewers with the same challenge: tackling some of the hardest problems before us without a unifying magical distraction.