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Here’s a very good video about scapegoating within Family Systems

This video, combined with other information I’ve heard, made me more sympathetic to Donald Trump.

• From what I’ve heard, Donald Trump’s father Fred was a sociopath, and his brother, Fred Jr was being groomed to be the Golden Boy who would assume the leadership of the family business.
• Fred Jr didn’t fit the role of CEO.  Instead, he became an airline pilot and alcoholic.  Fred Jr died while his daughter Mary Trump (author of the new Trump book) was young.
• When Donald was 2 years old, his mother had a near-death experience with the birth of Donald’s brother.  Donald would have felt abandoned by his mother and unable to understand the reason for her absence.

  • Leonard Cruz is a psychiatrist in Asheville, North Carolina, and one of the editors of a recently published collection of essays, A Clear and Present Danger: Narcissism in the Era of President Trump. “From a child’s perspective,” he told me, “they’ve experienced the withdrawal of a mothering figure. It might evoke ways of acting that are increasingly bombastic and attention-seeking. The child becomes almost exaggerated in the ways they try to court attention.”

• Donald was the problem child who bullied his classmates and his father couldn’t manage.  Fred Sr was so exasperated that he gave up on Donald and sent him off to a military academy themed high school, which reinforced his ideas about dominance and toxic masculinity.
• Donald Trump’s father taught him that there are only two types of people: killers and losers.
• Donald Trump’s other mentor was Roy Cohn, who taught him never to admit fault but instead launch a counter-offensive.

 

Transcript

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hey hi everybody
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my name is jerry wise and i’m a life and
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relationship
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coach and i’ve been helping people for
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over 40
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close to probably 45 years now
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and i have been helping them to learn to
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self-differentiate
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using a family systems approach i help
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people advance their recovery
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from codependency their recovery from
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narcissistic abuse their recovery from
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being adult children of narcissists
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and adult children of alcoholics and i
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work with a lot of
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families couples individuals and
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using this deep well of bowen family
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systems theory
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a romano
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we had a great time together and this
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program is entitled
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overcoming the role of scapegoat
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i think scapegoating is a very big topic
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because it is a common experience
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for many many people now why do i think
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there’s so many
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scapegoats
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well because whenever you have a
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dysfunctional family
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whenever you have a dysfunctional
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department at the workplace
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whenever you have a dysfunctional church
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whenever
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you have a dysfunctional marriage then
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oftentimes
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people will project on to other people
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the problems they don’t want to look at
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the problems they don’t want to see and
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they will
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pick someone as a scapegoat for those
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difficulties
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well that can include an awful lot of
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people
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because i’ve been scapegoated at a
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workplace
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uh and i understand scapegoating even
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beyond family of origin issues
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so it can happen for a lot of people
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of course the word scapegoat comes from
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like the leviticus 16 that old testament
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account of when the
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levites chose two kid goats
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one was to be sacrificed and one was to
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take all the sins of the israelites and
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then be sent out into the desert
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and then i think william tyndall was one
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of the earlier
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people who coined the word scapegoat and
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then it’s been used many times
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thereafter
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in the more modern era in psychology
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and in family systems work
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scapegoating is the glue that holds the
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family together
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that holds the church together that
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holds the uh
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workplace together that holds the pta
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together
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scapegoating is the um
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the important thing that holds it
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together because the scapegoat is the
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person
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that takes all the bad away
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so that that system can function but
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sadly
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it then ends up there being a scapegoat
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they have a distorted view of themselves
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the department the workplace the family
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the narcissist the narcissistic family
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all have a distorted view of themselves
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and so we end up with lots of
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difficulties as a result of scapegoating
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so on the one hand it provides a
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solution
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on the other hand it endorses and
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supports
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all the problems that are
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a part of the dysfunctional system
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when we’re the scapegoat growing up in a
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family
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and we’re a child who is a scapegoat
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we’re not a person we’re not a child
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but we then end up being the extensions
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of our family and the extensions
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of our parents we’re not us
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we’re the extensions of them because
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they need somewhere
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for the bad to go and they can’t deal
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with the bad
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the family can’t deal with the bad so we
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project that onto a scapegoat and then
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uh we have relief and i remember working
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in
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inpatient chemical dependency treatment
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as the family counselor
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and we dealt with all these family roles
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of lost child
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mascot scapegoat golden child
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codependent or enabler and we would use
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all of those and in fact
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i would do a whole family psycho drama
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with all the families i’d work with so
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they could see the different roles
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that people played and scapegoating was
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a very common one
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when the alcoholic for example doesn’t
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want to deal with the alcoholism
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let’s say the dad could be the mother
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just as easily but the dad
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and then the mom is focused on the dad
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and nobody and everyone’s in denial
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there are lots of problems lots of
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issues
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then we’ve got to have a child to focus
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all of this negative onto
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so we don’t have to deal with the
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negative and then a child starts to act
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out
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and starts to act out the role of the
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scapegoat
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the bad one and then that
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solves the problem for the family and
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they feel much better
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the scapegoat doesn’t but the family
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does
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they feel much more relief
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scapegoating is a role which is painful
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confusing and maddening
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it’s a very difficult role to play in
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the family particularly as a child
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and then it becomes complicated as an
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adult too because we’ll carry it on into
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our adult life
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and sometimes we’ll wonder why don’t our
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lives work
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well we’ve been a scapegoat since we’ve
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been a child scapegoats
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scapegoat lives are not supposed to work
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same is true when we become an adult
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the payoffs for the scapegoat
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is they receive attention and not
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neglect however an albeit
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it’s negative attention some have said
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negative attention is better than no
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attention at all
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at all though i’m not sure that’s always
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true because the negative attention the
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scapegoat gets is very painful very
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confusing and very maddening
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the family payoff is it takes the
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attention away from the problems
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and away from where the real problem or
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root problem exists
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and so this calms the family down
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while they send out the scapegoat with
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all the sins problems and projection
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that’s done on to them
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and it maintains the homeostasis or the
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equilibrium
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or the everybody can be stabilized
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with the family dysfunction
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because when you have an alcoholic dad
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or an alcoholic mom it’s a lot easier to
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deal with the kids bad grades
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and punish them and talk to the school
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and go through all that drama
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and then to focus on why they might be
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having bad grades
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why they might be having difficulty it
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keeps the focus away from the root cause
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that’s what scapegoatism does it keeps
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the focus away from the root cause
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the scapegoat as i believe is the least
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powerful
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member of this system whether work
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family home church
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synagogue wherever wherever there are
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organizations
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the scapegoat is the least powerful and
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the most powerful
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in the family and you go oh no no no i
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was a scapegoat and i never had any
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power
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hold on let me explain that just a
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minute it’s
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uh they have the least power because
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they are blamed
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criticized negativized
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belittled abused and so that’s where we
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have the least power
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but the most power were very powerful
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because by being the one who were the
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one
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being we are the one who is able to
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cause the most
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anxiety or upset in the family
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now it’s a hellish life as a scapegoat
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but we have the power to trigger
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everybody
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and i’ve as i’ve worked with scapegoats
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over the many decades
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i find they have all this power to
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trigger these families
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and trigger families as a scapegoat
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because they do it all the time which
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then they get repercussions
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more negative comes their way
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and they become entrenched in that
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scapegoat role
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but they do have a large power they can
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trigger everybody in the
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in the family system and that’s a lot of
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power
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the family in its dysfunction gives too
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much power to the
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scapegoat they also give too much power
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to the golden child
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because favoritism and scapegoatism
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are two sides of the same coin it’s a
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projection of the good
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on one and projection of the bad on the
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other
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any projection can hurt kids
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so i’ve worked with golden children and
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they have all kinds of problems because
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they were projected as the favorite one
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now i understand they didn’t have maybe
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all of the negatives the scapegoat had
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but they have difficulties knowing who
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they are what they want in life what
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they want to do
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because they have they have lots of
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guilt they have lots of performance
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anxiety
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conditional love they’ve been used to
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and so they have problems and then of
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course the scapegoat has
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problems with all the negative attention
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that they got
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the negativism so why are there so many
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scapegoats
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well there’s so many scapegoats because
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there are so many dysfunctional families
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out there
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i’m sure there’s a few normal ones maybe
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i’ll run into some sometime
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but there’s so many dysfunctional
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families and whenever you have a
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system that is in pain
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and they don’t deal with it there’s
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going to be a scapegoat
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well how many families do you know that
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have a system in which they have pain
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difficulty struggles and don’t deal with
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it
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generally there’s going to be a
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scapegoat that’s going to have to be
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found
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and this would be alcoholic homes drug
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addicted homes narcissistic homes
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abusive homes toxic and unhealthy homes
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uh whenever there’s problems not being
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dealt with
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then they must be projected somewhere
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else
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because we’re not handling that we’re
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not dealing with it
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even if it’s as simple as simple as
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someone as clinically depressed
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in the family and that can be a
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biological disease
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as well excuse me as well as a
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psychological disease
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this biological disease affects the
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family
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but let’s say the father doesn’t get
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help
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for his depression well then
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somebody’s going to have to pay for that
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under functioning some that’s going to
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show
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up somewhere else it has to
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and then generally there’s a scapegoat
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well you don’t love your father you
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don’t understand your father
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your father’s going through a hard time
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he’s very stressed and he has to do this
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and why can’t you be good and then we
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have all of this scapegoating going on
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and blaming
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when really dad isn’t getting help for
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the depression that he needs
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he needs that help and he’s not getting
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it so it’s got to show up in other ways
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these families need to project onto the
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scapegoat
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to stabilize the family
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so people ask me well why am i chosen to
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be the scapegoat why couldn’t it have
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been betty mary steve why couldn’t have
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been one of my other siblings why did i
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get chosen to be a scapegoat
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well that may be a big mystery i don’t
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know and maybe it’s beyond my pay grade
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but i would guess that it has to do with
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vulnerability
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you are more vulnerable to that you may
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have had some problems growing up
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as kids will have but in more healthy
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families
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those problems don’t disrupt the family
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nor are they a way for the parents to
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project
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on to the child who has some problems
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so we may have problems we may have some
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weaknesses
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the child may have characteristics that
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the parents
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have but they cannot accept them or see
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them in themselves
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so they’ll project onto the parents
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here’s an example
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maybe the child looks like an ex-wife
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they had
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maybe the child acts like a mother they
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didn’t like
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and so we get chosen not because we
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are the mother that wasn’t liked but we
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somehow are projected onto
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and are seen as the mother uh they
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didn’t like
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and then we get to be the scapegoat
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often the child may be the parent the
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child that the parent cannot handle
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well that if the parent’s ability to
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parent is limited
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then whoever they’re having the most
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trouble with
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is gonna get to be probably the
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scapegoat and maybe the child is just
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going through their normal child life
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and maybe they you
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need a different parenting but the
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parents aren’t flexible enough
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knowledgeable enough healthy enough to
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be able to
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uh parent them in a healthy way because
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of their own dysfunction or narcissism
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or
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what they grew up when they in their
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family of origin
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was a problem
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also a scapegoat could be someone who
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questions the family patterns
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and the dynamics you know mommy why does
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dad drink so much
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why does he come home and is drunk on
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the floor
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you know daddy why does mom scream all
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the time at me
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and put me down and
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well those are undiscussables
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you’ve now just lifted the skirt of the
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family
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and then they’re more likely to be a
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scapegoat
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because you’re a talker you’re the one
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that is a true teller
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that could be a real problem in a
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dysfunctional home or even as an adult
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in a family that you have now it can be
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a problem
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i was dealing with clients recently in
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which
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one person was realizing how much
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a family uh her family was
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alcoholic and she had never seen it that
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severe
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well now she’s uncomfortable with that
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because she’s seeing more before she was
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just tolerating hey that’s just the way
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the family is but it was
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really inappropriate and really wrong
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and
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hard to have the grandkids be around
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those but we always just do it because
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that’s what we do you just tolerate
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families
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well no most of the family’s in denial
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because many of them are alcoholic and
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and they don’t see anything wrong with
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what they’re doing
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and then they’ll tell my client well you
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just need to be tolerant
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you just need to be tolerant of your
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family you just need to accept this is
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just the way families are
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yeah but i don’t know that i want to be
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around somebody
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who is inappropriate or doing lap
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dances on their boyfriend in front of
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the young grandchildren i
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i just don’t you know that’s not okay
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and so if you start seeing things in a
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way that’s not okay
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then again that reinforces the scapegoat
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role and she was in a scapegoat role for
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sure
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growing up the scapegoats as i mentioned
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can be whistleblower children
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we may remind parents of someone they
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were hurt by or hated or rejected
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and certainly whenever you have
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narcissistic parents
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there must be someone they can shame
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shed
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onto they must find
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someone who they can shame and so we
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have to find a scapegoat
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who they can do that with if not all
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their children
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at least someone who’s acutely the
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scapegoat child
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also when we are the scapegoat and when
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we are have problems the parent
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feels in control and powerful and so for
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narcissistic homes
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we provide that supply for them
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the narcissistic supply as a scapegoat
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why do i did i get chosen of us as a
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scapegoat
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we’re the easiest target for the
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manipulation
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the self-righteousness or the aggression
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we’re just the easiest target the
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scapegoat child is the opposite side of
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the same coin as the golden child
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favoritism versus scapegoatism as i
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mentioned
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we are the easiest often to gaslight
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though we may have trouble with it and
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again if you have trouble with the gas
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lighting you’re going to get in trouble
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you better go along with the program of
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the gas lighting
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we bring out the parents imperfect
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parenting
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which cannot be tolerated and if you’re
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the difficult
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child then you’re bringing out the
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parents inadequacy as a parent
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or the or the the uh difficult baby the
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unhappy
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infant that you were and again we’re not
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just an
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infant we’re the unhappy infant we’re
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not just a child
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we’re the difficult child and
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and that becomes a problem and we start
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getting scapegoated as the
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bad kid in the class or the bad kid in
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the family
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or the bad kid at work and so many times
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those of us who have been scapegoated we
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will go to jobs
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where we end up getting scapegoated in
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the job
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because what’s in us will also be
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projected
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and and will find that in a work
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environment
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and i’ve helped a lot of people out of
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those kinds of environments
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and also to change their roles as
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scapegoats at work
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in their families with marriages with
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church organizations which business
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organizations
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scapegoats live in the family trance
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the family brainwash the family
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programming and we have been
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programmed to see ourselves as the
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problem
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and that’s one of the most insidious
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lies
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and one of the most difficult lies there
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are
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and it’s what everybody believes is what
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you’re supposed to believe
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let me talk about scapegoat children and
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scapegoat adults
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often they carry the family pain inside
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of them
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the negative traits that get projected
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on them
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the self-hate the anger the denial is
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all projected onto them
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uh just like my client had just
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mentioned everybody’s going well why
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can’t you just tolerate what’s going on
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why can’t you just accept that
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everybody’s drunk and acting
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like a 14 year old why can’t you do that
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because i don’t want to and it seems
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immature
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and irresponsible and especially since
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there’s so much alcoholism in the family
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do i why do i want to do that
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and they will go why are you just being
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so difficult
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what is wrong with you if we buy into
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that
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from our brainwashing and our cult-like
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existence growing up then that will
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become painful and we will be stuck
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that’s where we need help or to borrow
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others objectivity
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to see that wait a minute that’s not
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okay the family is not right about that
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many times parents traumas get
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projected onto us hurts get projected
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onto us as a scapegoat
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and again everybody’s normal but the
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scapegoat
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everybody’s seeing the same everybody’s
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doing the same thing
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thinks the same way has the same
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cult-like brainwashing
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but the scapegoat and we
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then get in trouble for that and also
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find ourselves rejected or exiled or
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sent out into the desert uh
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because we can’t be accepted oh well you
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know
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uh billy’s coming this year you know oh
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i hope
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you know i hope he’s not a pain in the
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butt this year meaning
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telling the truth or being uncomfortable
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with how mom and dad are so narcissistic
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or
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those kinds of things
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scapegoats are objectified and
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dehumanized
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we end up not being a person we end up
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being a liar
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crazy too sensitive dramatic
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the difficult baby as i mentioned
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defective
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unloving cold and all those things are
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projected onto us
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when maybe none of them are true
22:34
maybe we have our own imperfections
22:37
which i’m sure we do
22:38
all of us do but we end up being seen
22:42
through those lenses
22:43
not as a person and so what happens is
22:47
what i call it is a unipolar view of us
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rather than a bipolar view of us and i’m
22:53
not talking about the mental illness
22:55
i’m talking about when i view someone i
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want to see them as good
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and bad i hope people will see me as
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good
23:03
and bad because i’m imperfect i’m also
23:06
good um
23:08
and but in the family the scapegoat is
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only seen as bad
23:13
and not good so it just has unipolar
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just has one pole and when we have that
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one pole
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then we’re immature we must see others
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as with good
23:24
and bad now it’s a whole different thing
23:26
when you start adding narcissism but i’m
23:28
saying in general we want to see people
23:30
as both good and bad because all of us
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are
23:34
good and bad the scapegoat is only bad
23:38
and the golden child is only good
23:42
both are distortion and a lie
23:46
scapegoats are also made to totally
23:50
and solely take responsibility
23:53
for the relationship relationships
23:56
this is the one of the cult-like traits
23:58
in the family
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it’s your fault we’re not getting along
24:03
it’s your fault you’re causing these
24:05
troubles it’s
24:07
all your fault i’m not doing anything
24:10
wrong
24:13
the scapegoat will always feel as though
24:16
they’re navigating a minefield
24:19
when am i going to step on an explosion
24:22
when am i going to do the wrong thing
24:24
because the scapegoatism
24:28
and the projection and the negativity
24:31
is not done out of rational
24:35
i want to say a rational thinking
24:38
process it just blows up
24:41
in different ways it just blows up like
24:44
standing on a mind
24:45
you thought everything was okay and then
24:47
all of a sudden you’re bad
24:48
and you’re going what did i do what what
24:50
went on
24:51
because the family just needs that
24:53
scapegoat it’s not about reality
24:56
it’s about what we need and we need a
24:58
scapegoat right now so you’re going to
24:59
get punished
25:00
you’re going to be seen as negative i
25:02
can’t deal with my anger
25:04
so i’m going to deal with it on you
25:10
there are many examples i think one of
25:11
the classic ones which was not
25:13
necessarily
25:14
a narcissistic home but i remember one
25:16
early on when i was doing
25:18
uh pastoral counseling social work
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chemical dependency work
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uh with clients that the
25:25
marriage and family work the uh a couple
25:28
brought their daughter to me and she was
25:30
like 12-ish
25:32
something like that and she had done
25:34
some shoplifting
25:37
and they said jerry we need you to fix
25:40
her
25:40
she’s not doing right it was wrong what
25:43
she did and we can’t have her doing this
25:45
well of course we don’t want her to
25:47
shoplift we don’t want her to get in
25:48
trouble
25:49
i understand that but guess what
25:52
they dropped her off to me to fix
25:55
while they went on home i’m well i
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thought we might
25:59
all talk together or and so then i
26:02
interviewed the
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the couple and and actually interviewed
26:06
the girl first
26:07
finding out they’re married their
26:09
parents marriage was horrible
26:11
though they acted like they were okay
26:13
when they talked to me but it was
26:14
horrible
26:15
they’ve been talking about divorce
26:16
they’ve been yelling and screaming
26:18
they’ve been
26:19
you know it was just a mess and then
26:22
she out of the need to fulfill the role
26:26
of a scapegoat
26:28
to calm down mom and dad so they will
26:31
feel better
26:32
she’ll go get in trouble and then all of
26:34
the bad traits go out with her
26:37
and now they don’t have to look at their
26:39
marriage their
26:40
pain their feelings their anger their
26:43
unhappiness
26:44
now they can focus on the daughter as
26:46
the one with the problem
26:48
and that’s a scapegoating within the
26:50
family come to find
26:52
out you start helping the couple get
26:54
better
26:56
isn’t it amazing this the the
26:59
shoplifting ends she starts doing better
27:02
in school
27:03
she the parents needed to deal with
27:06
their stuff
27:08
so it wouldn’t get shifted over to her
27:12
and there are many examples i could give
27:14
of narcissistic families
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not only can we be scapegoated by family
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members
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or growing up we can be scapegoated by
27:27
friends
27:28
the pto the pta partners
27:32
spouses especially if they’re
27:34
narcissists
27:36
and if they’re not we can still get
27:38
scapegoated i’ve talked to many people
27:40
in which
27:40
her her close grouping of friends
27:44
have been scapegoating her because they
27:47
can’t
27:48
deal with a couple of members in their
27:49
friends group
27:51
they can’t confront them so somebody’s
27:53
got to be the
27:55
the bad guy and she got selected
27:58
because she’s more empathetic she’s more
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understanding
28:02
she’s more easily to be gaslit or
28:05
you know lied to or or believed to be
28:08
distorting what’s going on
28:10
when actually it’s the friend group that
28:12
they can’t stand up
28:13
for what they need to do so we can be
28:16
scapegoated
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in a lot of different ways so let me ask
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what can we do first of all we recognize
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that we’re a scapegoat
28:29
and i like lisa romano’s phrase of it’s
28:31
not your fault
28:33
if you’re a scapegoat it’s never your
28:36
fault
28:37
that doesn’t mean we haven’t played the
28:40
role of a scapegoat
28:42
which then makes sense as to why we’re a
28:44
scapegoat
28:45
but that’s not the reason you’re a
28:47
scapegoat
28:48
you’re just acting out that role
28:51
much like in a dysfunctional family or
28:53
an alcoholic family
28:55
one of the kids ends up being the bad
28:58
kid
28:59
getting into trouble starting to use
29:01
drugs
29:02
starting to do these kinds of things and
29:05
then
29:06
then he starts feeling like i am a bad
29:09
guy
29:09
of course he’s already been projected on
29:11
as the scapegoat but now he’s living out
29:13
the scapegoat
29:15
uh life and so it even gets harder to
29:18
see that because
29:19
i am doing some bad things so maybe it’s
29:22
just me
29:23
it’s just me who’s doing this no it’s
29:26
not you who’s doing it the root of it is
29:28
having been scapegoated
29:31
deprogramming is very important
29:34
reading about family roles looking at
29:37
narcissistic literature about how people
29:40
are scapegoated by narcissists
29:44
deprogramming yourself in terms of
29:47
learning about codependency
29:50
can help tremendously in healing
29:54
how you see your family because when i
29:57
first talk to people who are
30:00
scapegoats they don’t have a
30:03
clear understanding of their family
30:06
because it’s
30:07
muddy it’s fuzzy it’s hazy
30:10
because they’re stuck in the family glue
30:14
they’re stuck in the family enmeshment
30:16
and it’s just hard to see
30:18
through that fog that we have and all
30:21
the programming that we’ve been
30:23
programmed with
30:24
and so it’s hard to see the family
30:26
clearly
30:27
get help getting to see your family
30:30
clearly
30:32
then stabilize how you see yourself
30:35
that wait a minute yeah i have
30:38
imperfections i have faults i have
30:42
sinned i’ve made mistakes i’ve done
30:44
every all those things
30:46
but i’m not really
30:49
deserving of being a scapegoat i’m
30:52
really not
30:53
and this was wrong and it wasn’t my
30:55
fault
30:56
and this is how i see me well you’re not
31:00
empathetic enough you don’t care enough
31:02
you don’t care enough betty you’re just
31:04
uh you know why can’t you just care
31:06
about other people once
31:08
no no betty’s very caring about other
31:11
people
31:12
it’s just they’re not she’s not caring
31:14
about them in the way
31:15
the dysfunctional family wants her to
31:17
care about them
31:18
and so she’s bad but actually she has
31:22
much more empathy than the family
31:25
give yourself permission to step away
31:28
we do need to get some objectivity
31:31
either step away by stepping into a
31:34
online coaching program or online
31:37
therapist office
31:38
step away by getting some objectivity
31:40
there
31:41
or step away by removing yourself
31:44
learning about going no contact or low
31:46
contact
31:48
so that you can get your head straight
31:55
refrain from any arguing or defending
31:58
it’s not going to do you any good for
32:00
the years of defending and arguing that
32:02
you have done with the family
32:04
or with others it won’t change their
32:06
view
32:07
even though we hope it might you know
32:10
well that’s not how i feel
32:11
that’s not what i think no no you’re
32:14
it’s not about the logic of it
32:16
it’s about what they need you to be it’s
32:19
not about
32:20
logical it’s delusional it’s unconscious
32:23
it’s it’s not about the truth they’re
32:26
not interested in the truth they’re
32:27
acting out the pain with you taking on
32:30
this role
32:31
and that helps them to deal with the
32:33
pain
32:35
so just talking them through that so
32:37
they’ll see it often doesn’t do much
32:39
good at all
32:40
it only makes you more of a scapegoat
32:44
refrain from trying to change them
32:47
you don’t want to try to change them
32:49
it’s it’s only going to frustrate you
32:52
and reinforce the scapegoat role
32:55
refrain from trying to change yourself
32:58
to change them that’s only going to
33:02
reinforce the
33:03
scapegoat role and you’re also going to
33:06
be
33:06
pretzeling and bending yourself so that
33:09
somehow
33:10
they will see you differently my hunches
33:12
their their seeing you will
33:14
shift with every pretzeling or every
33:17
change you try to make
33:19
they will counter it with still seeing
33:21
you as a scapegoat
33:24
we want to change for ourselves not
33:27
for them or to convince them that you’re
33:30
not the scapegoat or should
33:31
aren’t deserving of it get help
33:35
at seeing what your responsibility is
33:38
and their responsibility
33:39
and borrow good objectivity from other
33:42
people
33:43
we haven’t been perfect even dealing
33:45
with our imperfect family
33:47
we can take responsibility for what we
33:49
have done and we also know
33:51
where their responsibility is and we can
33:53
decide that for ourselves
33:56
and you need help to learn to decide
33:58
that
33:59
now as i mentioned go low contact or no
34:02
contact
34:03
if you’re being scapegoated so you can
34:05
get yourself straight
34:08
grieve the loss of the family you always
34:10
wanted
34:12
like the normal family you’ve always
34:14
wanted i wanna i’ve always wanted to
34:16
have a family in which i wasn’t the
34:17
scapegoat
34:19
well if you keep dreaming about that and
34:21
yearning and hoping for that
34:24
it’s only going to get dashed and dashed
34:26
and broken
34:27
and shoved down your throat and it’s
34:29
going to become more and more
34:30
problematic
34:32
so grieving that loss of having the
34:34
family that we want
34:35
can really or wanted can really help
34:39
free us inside go back
34:42
and confront and resolve the feelings
34:44
and events of the scapegoating
34:48
do journaling do feelings letter writing
34:51
where you write
34:52
your feelings to that person
34:56
work with a coach or therapist to help
34:58
you work through that
35:00
you will find a lot of freedom doing
35:02
that and deprogramming from this
35:05
cult-like trance that we’ve had in the
35:08
family
35:10
then also see scapegoating
35:13
behaviors if someone scapegoating you as
35:16
what i call
35:17
coca-cola of reality in other words when
35:20
they say
35:21
well you’re just so sensitive well you
35:24
you just never understood
35:26
you just i don’t know why you can’t be
35:27
more loving
35:29
that’s the scapegoating derision that
35:32
comes
35:33
and we begin to think of that as okay
35:35
they’re calling me a coca-cola
35:38
that doesn’t make any sense because i’m
35:40
not that
35:41
i am loving i do care
35:45
i am empathetic i do see some of the
35:47
truth
35:48
but they don’t want you to believe that
35:50
or feel that
35:52
so they’re going to say these delusional
35:54
things to you that are wrong
35:56
but think of them as them calling you a
35:58
coca-cola
36:00
and how silly it is
36:04
resist scapegoat behavior of
36:06
under-functioning
36:08
or over-functioning addictions
36:12
anger depression hurt all of these can
36:15
enhance the role
36:17
of the scapegoat people have become
36:20
mentally ill to fulfill their role as a
36:24
scapegoat i know that may sound crazy
36:27
but it
36:28
very much can be and so we want to
36:31
help ourselves get help for ourselves
36:34
and not just
36:35
settle for the negative things that we
36:38
do
36:38
or feel but get help so that we don’t
36:41
continue to fulfill that scapegoat role
36:45
lean on a circle of support
36:49
do the essential work of recovery and
36:52
self-differentiation
36:54
and this provides you with a new or
36:56
genuine self
36:57
to move forward with rather than the
36:59
scapegoat itself
37:02
uh we certainly want to let go of the
37:04
need for validation
37:06
for sure because we’re always yearning
37:08
for that validation
37:10
let go of the need for it that hey i can
37:12
let that go
37:13
i may feel abandoned i’ll have to deal
37:15
with my abandonment
37:17
but i don’t need them to validate me
37:19
because i’ve got if i’m going to wait
37:21
for that you’re gonna wait for
37:22
decades and decades and probably forever
37:25
before that would happen
37:26
because they too much need you to be the
37:29
scapegoat
37:30
they can’t validate you that would mess
37:33
up the whole
37:34
jenga game or whatever they call where
37:36
it would all come tumbling down
37:38
change figure what it’s called uh
37:41
there’s some good books you know by
37:43
jenny brown growing yourself up
37:45
margelous fieldsted fjelst
37:50
but i and john bradshaw healing the
37:53
shame that binds you
37:55
i think that’s good for scapegoat folks
37:57
because we have a lot of shame
37:59
about being scapegoated the shame all
38:02
came to us
38:04
and the problems all came to us he has a
38:06
great book on shame
38:08
there are many others you can write to
38:10
me at my youtube
38:13
at my email address also to my website
38:19
jerrywiserelationshipsystems.com
38:21
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38:27
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38:32
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38:34
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38:36
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38:39
that’s what i want to do
38:41
to uh challenge people to think
38:44
about how relationships work
38:48
i appreciate you watching today i hope
38:51
you have a great day
38:53
and be wise

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