Why are the police in the US so brutal and aggressive?

  1. They’re not well trained. In many places, police may only have a couple of months of training before they’re given a badge. One of the big problems is that there are nearly 18,000 different police forces in the United States. The UK has 48.
  2. U.S. gun laws mean that when a police officer confronts a civilian, they’re likely to be armed or have arms nearby. It’s actually more dangerous when someone is driving or in their home, both of which are likely to have weapons.
  3. Police forces often antagonize the civilians they’re serving and are seen by many communities as “trouble”. That makes civilians fearful, panicky, disrespectful and/or aggressive, none of which helps in a police encounter. Not having earned the respect of the community, they often have to demand it.
  4. Police are often given counter-productive quotas or goals which they have to meet to either keep their jobs or get promotion. That includes writing as many tickets as possible (often to increase municipal revenue) or making arrests. Let’s put it this way – in the US an officer is unlikely to get any kind of praise for not arresting anyone during a month even though that’s the norm in other countries.
  5. Many people with aggression issues or racist tendencies want to become police officers. In fact, it’s been shown that white supremacist groups in the U.S. encourage their members to join law enforcement. Use of things like steroids tends to be higher with police officers, and they’re encouraged to “stay in shape”.
  6. It’s pretty much impossible to get rid of a bad cop. Even if a cop is fired, they usually just wind up on a smaller force. It’s easier than trying to keep them from working as a cop altogether.

Reply All: The Crime Machine, Part I

New York City cops are in a fight against their own police department. They say it’s under the control of a broken computer system that punishes cops who refuse to engage in racist, corrupt policing. The story of their fight, and the story of the grouchy idealist who originally built the machine they’re fighting.

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#128 The Crime Machine, Part II

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Let’s talk about a cop asking me for training….


well how do you their internet people
it’s Bo again if you know me you’re
already laughing waiting for the story
if you don’t know me you need to know I
used to train law enforcement one day I
was given a class and had a cop asked
about hitting a suspect in the knee with
a baton saying that it was probably more
effective I explained you know you’ve
got legal tactical of medical liability
the legal and medical liability on that
is gonna eat you alive you don’t want to
do anything that could be permanently
disabling like hit a joint unless your
wife is truly in danger and he says well
we write the report if you don’t know
what that phrase means it means that the
cops can pretty much say whatever they
want and the police report and it will
be believed
even if they are lying it
bothered me that he said it it bothered
me more that I got a room full of cops
and nobody said anything against it and
in fact most of them laughed I never
taught another class for law enforcement
again that was 12 years ago in that time
I have had a number of officers ask me
for training and they normally get
pretty colorful responses this is a
little bit different cop watch that
police militarization video and he I
don’t want to put his details out there
he he’s been a cop for more than five in
less than ten years he said he’d never
heard the phrase time distance and cover
and I guess in the comment section I
talked about auditory exclusion he’d
never heard of that either he googled it
and said that now he feels a little bad
now what that means is that over the
course of his career he has treated
someone more roughly than he should have
simply because he did not know he ends
is this message by saying Bo you’re
we do need militarized training just not
the kind we’re getting

Let’s talk about 3 letters that can make rural whites understand the fear minorities have of cops.

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Racist Police Violence Reconsidered

Tony Timpa was 32 years old when he died at the hands of the Dallas police in August 2016. He suffered from mental health difficulties and was unarmed. He wasn’t resisting arrest. He had called the cops from a parking lot while intoxicated because he thought he might be a danger to himself. By the time law enforcement arrived, he had already been handcuffed by the security guards of a store nearby. Even so, the police officers made him lie face down on the grass, and one of them pressed a knee into his back. He remained in this position for 13 minutes until he suffocated. During the harrowing recording of his final moments, he can be heard pleading for his life. A grand jury indictment of the officers involved was overturned.

Not many people have seen this video, however, and that may have something to do with the fact that Timpa was white. During the protests and agonizing discussions about police brutality that have followed the death of George Floyd under remarkably similar circumstances, it is too seldom acknowledged that white men are regularly killed by the cops as well, and that occasionally the cops responsible are black (as it happens, one of the Dallas police officers at the scene of Timpa’s death was an African American). There seems to be a widespread assumption that, under similar circumstances, white cops kill black people but not white people, and that this disparity is either the product of naked racism or underlying racist bias that emerges under pressure.[Agreed: Implicit Bias is a major factor in racially biased split-second decisions] Plenty of evidence indicates, however, that racism is less important to understanding police behavior than is commonly supposed.

Timpa was, of course, just one case and might be dismissed as an anomaly. On the other hand, we are told that what happened to George Floyd is what happens to black people “all the time.” But because the killing of black suspects by white police officers receives more media attention and elicits more outrage, such instances leave us vulnerable to the availability heuristic—a cognitive bias that leads us to form judgements about the prevalence of phenomena based on the readiness with which we can recall examples. Had Tony Timpa been black, we would all likely know his name by now. Had George Floyd been white, his name would likely be a footnote, briefly reported in Minneapolis local news and quickly forgotten. In fact, white people are victims of police mistreatment “all the time” too. And just as the Timpa case tragically parallels the Floyd one, there are countless episodes paralleling those we hear about involving black people.

In 2014, John Crawford, black, was shot dead by police while waving a BB gun. In 2016, Daniel Shaver, white, was waving a pellet gun out of motel window and suffered the same fate. In 2015, officer Michael Slager shot Walter Scott, black, in the back and killed him as he was running to evade a traffic ticket; the following year, Andrew Thomas, white, was shot in the neck by a police officer and killed as he climbed out of the SUV he had crashed trying to evade arrest. In 2015, Sam DuBose, black, was shot dead as he tried to escape a traffic summons in his car; the same year, Michael Parker, white, was shot dead in the same way while trying escape a ticket for a moving violation. In 2016, Philando Castile, black, was shot dead in his car by a cop as he reached under his waistband for his license and registration during a traffic stop; the same year, Dylan Noble, white, was shot dead under almost identical circumstances. Also in 2016, Alton Sterling, black, was shot dead in front of a convenience store as he was being detained for unruly conduct; the same year, Brandon Stanley, white, was shot dead in a convenience store for trying to avoid a warrant.

So, the perception that the police regularly kill black people under circumstances in which white people would be merely disciplined is in fact a misconception.  [I would guess that police make split-second racially biased decisions that result in accidental shootings because they are relatively quick to draw their gun on blacks.]  White people vastly outnumber black people in America, so it should be no surprise that more white people die at the hands of the cops each year than black people. According to a database of fatal police shootings maintained by the Washington Post since 2015, 1,003 people in a population of 328 million were shot by police nationwide in 2019. 405 of those victims were white and 250 were black (of the remaining cases, 163 were Hispanic, 41 are listed as “other,” and 144 as “unknown”). 309 white victims (76.2 percent) were carrying either a gun or a knife, while 199 black victims (79.6 percent) were similarly armed. It is also worth bearing in mind that while police shootings are sometimes perceived to be abuses per se, an analysis of the Post‘s 2015 data by Kimberly Kindy and Kennedy Elliott reminded readers that:

In three-quarters of the fatal shootings, police were under attack or defending someone who was. The officers were often lauded as heroes… 28 percent of those who died were shooting at officers or someone else. Sixteen percent were attacking with other weapons or physical force, and 31 percent were pointing a gun.

Nevertheless, it remains true that black people are killed at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population. Does this decisively demonstrate racial bias or murderous animus on the part of American law enforcement? Blacks represent about 13 percent of the US population but about a quarter of victims in cop killings. Whites constitute about 62 percent of the population but only half of those killed by the police. With slight fluctuations, these trends have been broadly consistent.

However, these figures are not necessarily evidence of police racism. According to the Washington Post‘s database, over 95 percent of the people fatally shot by police officers in 2019 were male, and no serious-minded person argues that this is evidence of systemic misandry. So what, then, accounts for the disproportionate representation of black men among those killed by cops?

The socioeconomic gap between blacks and whites is doubtless an important contributing factor. Police are called to poor neighborhoods more often, so poverty makes someone more likely to encounter law enforcement. From the 1970s through the 1990s, many conservatives argued that too many black people were on welfare. Liberals and progressives replied that, firstly, more white people were on welfare and that, secondly and more importantly, a greater proportion of the black population is on welfare because a greater proportion of black people are mired in poverty. In this context, former Washington Post journalist Wesley Lowery observed that black people are about two-and-a-half times more likely to be killed by cops than their representation in the population would predict. Today, the percentage of black people living in poverty is about two-and-a-half times that of whites (22 percent and nine percent, respectively, in 2018).

This disparity in poverty rates means black people are also disproportionately represented in rates of violent crime. Poverty can lead to dangerous survival choices that include lucrative criminal activity. Furthermore, [How many warrants are for petty broken-windows offenses] outstanding warrants can cause suspects to flee law enforcement when stopped for other trivial infractions. This disparity cannot explain every fatal police shooting, including some of the most notorious examples, such as the shootings of Tamir Rice and Philando Castile. Nevertheless, the tragedy remains: Higher aggregate crime rates lead to more encounters with police officers overall which increases the likelihood that a proportion of those encounters will get out of hand. Entrenched socioeconomic disparities should concern us all, and are as intolerable [Society is not very concerned] as cop murders. But the idea that the police murder out of [intentional] racist animus [Not my argument]  is much less clear than we are often led to suppose.

This is not to say that race has nothing to do with policing issues in America. Black people are disproportionately more likely to be pulled over for drug searches, a disparity that, interestingly, disappears after dusk [IMPORTANT Concession] when officers cannot easily identify the race of a driver. Black people are also more likely to be verbally abused by police [IMPORTANT Concession] during interactions. Contrary to his expectations, Harvard economist Roland Fryer has found that while white men are actually more likely to be killed by cops, [IMPORTANT] black people are more likely to be handcuffed, pushed against the wall, and treated with weapons drawn. Blacks are still somewhat more likely than whites to suffer physical and verbal abuse from the cops [I Assume this is Under-reported because police officers are less accountable to minorities] even when the behavior of the suspect is taken into account. Findings like these contribute to a [IMPORTANT CONCESSION] general sense that cops treat black people as an enemy.  [How do you expect black people to treat the police as legitimate when police treat them like an “enemy”?]

[IMPOTANT CONCESSION] Racist bias may well play a role in these statistical discrepancies in treatment. Certainly, this perception was as central to the protests in Ferguson, Missouri as the shooting of Michael Brown. If, upon close examination, that turns out to be the case, then this must obviously be addressed [Say More about this should be addressed]. The [IMPORTANT CONCESSION] acrid relationship with police is among the main reasons that so many black people feel like aliens in their own nation. If a new generation of black people could grow up without the sense that the cops are their enemy, America would turn a corner [IMPORTANT: AND VICE VERSA: IF THE POLICE DID NOT TREAT BLACK PEOPLE AS THE ENEMY] on race and finally break its holding pattern.

Police officers are too often [IMPORTANT CONCESSION] overarmed, undertrained, and low on empathy. Some police officers are surely racist and act like it. But it does not follow that white cops routinely kill black people in tense situations out of racist animus [IMPORTANT: AGREED, but “Routinely Kill out of Animus” is a very low bar]. This scenario may seem plausible—I believed it until only a few years ago. [This was never my assumption]   [I also assume that police are not entirely reliable in their police reports.  If police accidentally kill someone who had a gun, the police are more likely to say that he brandished it than what actually took place.  And I would assume that when dealing with blacks police are more likely to plant evidence and cover-up than with whites.  This perception contributes to the legitimacy deficit] But there are times when facts are counterintuitive, and it is important to get the facts right and to analyze them with clear eyes and a clear mind (the enlightening work of criminologist and ex-cop Peter Moskos is helpful in this regard). Rhetoric has a way of straying from reality, and to get where we all want to go, it is reality that we must address.

1) Police should enforce the “Spirit of the Law”.

When the top police official is elected, they are more accountable and this changes behavior

2) What Rural whites have in common with Urban blacks