Amazing ID Refusal – Extreme ego check

 

Original video https://youtu.be/S01EvBA0Y3U

 

  • This cop is an huge embarrassment to all law enforcement officers …he yells and screams at the citizen, but when he gets on the radio, or his own supervisor approaches, he completely changes his demeanor .

 

  • If I was sitting on a police review board I would recommend this officer for a psych test and retraining.
    I see 2 major issues here.
    1) His main job was to back up his partner.
    Hard to do that when your not backing up your partner.
    2) He took a supervisor away from her job.

 

  • He knew exactly what the law was and tried intimidation to get his way all he ended up doing was failing to do his job.

 

  • What a punk. There is no reason for this contact except to attempt to intimidate this photographer. He can ask all day and no one is obligated to give up their rights. These cops know the law and choose to ignore it because they can violate people’s rights with impunity.

 

  • “Did I ask you for ID?” The level of cowardess once his boss was there is amazing… She says “No, he explained to me pretty well”… What did he explain? Surely not told the truth. I’d pull up the bodycam footage and send it to her… is that what he explained to you pretty well? I guess not.

 

  • Yes they can ask for ID, but being told a dozen or so times” no”, is hardly vague. Asked and answered 12+ times. That’s attempted harassment and intimidation, grind you down til you (may) give in.
  • Cop wasn’t asking in a reasonable manner. He demanded it and only backed down when he was challenged. When anyone walks up to your face and makes loud demands it is clearly an act of intimidation. Simply put, what would the cops do if you walked up on them in the same manner?
  • At 4:00, The cop says, That’s the last time I’m going to ask you (for your ID). Then proceeded to ask him seven more times. The behavior of this cop is a prime example of narcissism.
  • So by the officer’s logic the photographer is creating a disturbance if he films them without identifying himself. And not creating a disturbance if he does identify. This cop has lost his shit, I really hope he watches this video and sees how stupid he sounds! Photographer your policy is to identify, officer yeah and your policy is, photographer I don’t have a policy, I’m dying over here. This cop is killing me, gunphones oh my God, we need more interaction with this officer.
  • Blame shifting.” Thanks for the word for the concept of blaming an auditor for the chaos caused by the cop.
  • If she’s happy saying that’s just him maybe she knows he’s a bit unstable!

 

  • 16:12 – Isn’t that cute how he casually walked over to make sure he gets to give his side of the situation before the supervisor hears what’s going on? I can hear it now – ” He won’t give me his ID. He thinks he knows the law, Mr. Lawyer. He’s one of those “rights” guys.” Then the supervisor would say, “Alright. Well, I’ll try getting him and then he can go to jail with that attitude.”

 

  • This cop is a flagrant intimidator. What you prefer, he will violate. He tries to install a policy on your side, and then tells you he has “a right” to ask you for ID. This is true, but you have a right to decline. Now, back to the Constitution and your oath – what was that about rights? Officer safety is one form of blame shift. But they also use YOUR safety to direct you into what they want. They authorize themselves to have authority over you and “safety” is their way in, but they work each side to qualify your rights. Nothing this cam man is doing gives the cop anything to work with. This cop isn’t just bad. He’s outta date. Sounds like he took his test when the qualifications to be a cop were relaxed or set lower. Actually, he sounds like an a$sh*le. How’d you like having that voice in your ear, being his wife. Ugh…!

 

  • I understand that everyone is focused on the interaction between the cop and the cameraman but, I think the cop is there to distract the camera to him and off of the stop itself. I remember the guy auditing the military base and they got in his face, then he elevated the camera over their heads on a tele pole to eliminate them blocking the camera. They looked so lost at that point. It was great!
  • what do these police do so easily that makes them so afraid of cameras that they assign a designated distraction for videographers?
  • Amazing how you could have 20 people standing around a crime scene, but the police always approach the one with the camera.

 

  • Everyone including the auditor here seemed to forget that the officer did threaten with arrest and say that denying ID was a crime. They decided quickly to cover that misunderstanding up, and apparently the auditor forgot. It wasn’t just his aggressive demeanor. He outright lied with intention of intimidating this man into giving his name.
  • What’s crazy is cops like this get promotions instead of being fired like they should be

 

  • Always amazes me how much an ID can dispell all their suspicions.

 

  • The cop was so afraid of this guy that he turned his back on him, hilarious

 

  • I noticed that the way he talks into the radio and the way he talks to the citizen were very different. Listen to his voice.
  • 12:30 – So because the rare concern comes up, EVERYBODY is a suspect, everybody is potentially a criminal. Right? So this cop admitted they see each person as a threat – “you know how it is out there.” So, what? There is one in 40,000 who would harm a cop, and that increases with population. Now we find justification for how THE PEOPLE are treated, and rights are violated under an assumption that you are already something you aren’t yet. Same thing with this cop. You are exercising your rights, where you should be, and then he conveys what your lawful actions ARE into what he needs to make them, by context. Sorry, dumb cop. You can’t reassign an ‘action’ (toward intent) because laws can’t be installed to contravene the Constitution and our rights. See how “they” corrupt the view, the perspective? It’s less obvious these days but “they” still do it. “They” just don’t insist it the same way. After all, “what ate you gonna do about it?” Sue the cops, the department, the human.

 

  • Old video. But, when ever a cop wonders why you won’t provide ID, ask for theirs right back. “Are you trying to hide something?”

 

  • For someone concerned about his safety he sure is quick to turn his face away and look away when he talks on the radio.
  • OK, this cop is certifiably crazy! He has ranted for over a minute straight and says he is not the one creating a scene? Wow, denial ain’t just a River in Egypt.

 

  • Shoot.. classic roid-rage! Scary that there are folks like him walking around out there with badges and guns. Sad to see the lady cop put her head in the sand and cover for his obnoxious behavior. No good will come from protecting a guy like him. Next time he will cause bodily hard or perhaps kill someone and then what will she say… “no I don’t see a problem – he explained it to me and makes sense“? This guy is the type to get butt-hurt easily and I can see him planting drugs on people down the line or giving the next guy he comes upon a beating because that guy isn’t holding a camera phone… bummed to see this happen

 

  • Funny how he changed his story. Both of these cops are liars.

 

  • You see how his attitudes changed, now he’s trying to be friendly and laugh with the guy. When he came up aggressive. I can’t stand when the cops always think they’re right. That they know the law 100% even when time and time again they’re proven wrong. But they won’t ever change their ways cuz they investigate themselves and discipline themselves and they NEVER find wrong doing UNLESS it’s caught on camera and they damn near killed someone or beat the hell out of someone!

 

  • IF I were this officers Chief, I truly would tell this cop to calm down for his own good.
    He comes across as ineffective and hostile.

 

  • COP – “Ok, now that you’re filming me and everything, let me see your ID”.
    ME – But officer the only crime here is your haircut.

 

  • This is brilliant. The dude was so chill he deserves an award. Great to watch thankyou

 

  • I like this auditor. He sounds so relaxed. Like his sarcastic laugh aswel

 

  • It’s funny how he talks so normal to his sergeant but he was so loud and aggressive and raspy to the auditor

 

  • This is a perfect example of what’s wrong with law enforcement today, officers forget who they work for.

 

  • This guy HAS to be a former marine drill sgt. Just look at his stance, demeanor, hair and graveley voice. He is NOT used to being told no. Great job by the auditor standing his ground!

 

  • No, it’s ‘ not an ego, it’s training to look threatening. Police officers are trained to control every situation as the matter of their safety, and this is good example of this cop putting up a performance. He himself is clearly not that badass, but he is doing his best to perform the act – but has not enough in him to last long.
  • Camera guy handled that very well. Even made the cop laugh cause he realized how ridiculous his little rant was
  • I wouldn’t want to give him my ID based on the fact that he seems to be insane and I wouldn’t want an insane person with a gun and the ability to get away with murder to know where I live.
  • I thought he was only going ask one more time(liar). . More like he walked up on the man to try to intimidate. The auditor should have just not even talked to him, that would have drove that cop crazy. From what I’ve seen, cops have nothing but disdain for auditors, or anybody who doesn’t kiss their axxes
  • This cop did a GREAT JOB! …. Of distracting the auditor from recording the traffic stop.
  • Opinion: “Prior restraint” This is a “consensual conversation” devised by the cop to consume the time and attention of the camera operator, with the sole intention to distract from the event.

 

  • If you’re willing to risk it, put your hands in your pockets in this “non-detainment” Once the cop demands you remove your hands from said pockets do so. You have now complied with a show of authority, and you have now been detained. Thereby requiring him to explain to a judge why he detained you once you take them to court.
  • I have a problem.. the sgt drives up without her headlights on. I’d be concerned. You know for officer safety and probably the public too.

Recommended Dash Cam:

Ignorant and Arrogant Police Brazenly Violate Law

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Part 2:

Part 3:

Note:

Several police officers take it upon themselves to detain Philip Turner to force him to produce identification, even though they tell him that they know he is a first amendment auditor.  (They disparage his YouTube legal education and tell him “this isn’t working out like you expected”.

When a cop says he’s not gonna argue with you, it’s because he knows he’s violating your rights and that he’s wrong. He’ll just throw you in a cage regardless, and let you have your day in court. Take away their precious qualified immunity, and watch the magic happen.

 

 

Comments

 

  • Sadly, this cop has been doing this to citizens for years, totally ignorant of the law. They, however, messed with the wrong guy.
  • I love it when an arrogant tyrant is SO sure of himself he openly mocks someone who knows the law and his mouth walks himself right off the cliff. His frequent comments about YouTube and his “I know this isn’t working out like you expected” comment is just icing on the cake. I’m having a very hard time not jumping to the original video… so I hope Part 3 is out soon! 😂😉👍
  • Wow this officer’s ignorance of the law is embarrassing and his arrogance is shameful! This video will follow him for the rest of his career.
  • I can’t imagine how many lives this cop has ruined and I hope he is no longer in a position of authority and no longer has the ability to interact with anyone.
  • The “1 bad apple” philosophy is probably the scariest part of this for me. As a sargent the amount of other officers he may have influenced is terrifying. When you multiply that exponentially to who those officers have influenced it seems the cancer of ignorance is going to spread far faster than the education he received here.
  • “Investigatively Detained?” In other words, we have no lawful reason so we’re trying to find one. 🤷
  • One of the things I love about Batman is , he is a bonafide auditor. A real auditor is never afraid of being arrested when he or she knows the law is on his/her side. Stand your ground and get paid later. What baffles me is the prosecutors who actually agree to prosecute cases like these. If a prosecutor is stupid enough to accept a case like this, he or she should be disbarred.
  • I’ve learn so much watching these videos. I’m baffled as to why there are so many audit videos showing Officers who clearly has no knowledge of the law, violating the rights of citizens and yet there has been no changes to Law Enforcement at all. There are some good cops but 95% of them are nothing more than ignorant bullies with a badge and gun.
  • Good grief, the condescending attitude is just DRIPPING off of this cop. He couldn’t be any more arrogant and aloof if he tried.
  • The “pat down” in itself is a violation of the fourth amendment. They had no ras of a crime, no ras of a weapon and no ras that you are dangerous. Therefore no lawful terry stop or terry frisk. Both are four amendment violations and the in pocket search was the third violation.
  • They are so intoxicated with their opportunity to use force, they imagine their interpretation of law is absolute.
  • I’m sure they were thinking they will record with your camera, for you, to show off that they are not kicking the crap out of you, like they normally do.
  • We will violate your rights until we get what we want …….. earning the hate
  • This man is brilliant. I don’t know how he kept a straight face knowing the ramifications of the situation and the way the officer did all of his work for him
  • 4:004:36 The cop’s rant is priceless and unfortunately for him will live forever. The level of disdain and ignorance is astounding, but unfortunately, common. The stupidity on display…..wow.
  • Qualified Immunity. That’s why they do what they do. Sovereign citizens
  • The officer’s arrogant confidence suggests the “Dunning–Kruger effect” (https://youtu.be/VyipktSZUlQ) is in play. Turner’s quiet confidence, on the other hand, demonstrates genuine competence.
  • 4:11 We all know what he meant by that. These cops are criminals/bullies with badges.
  • So this officer is essentially saying he’s been violating citizens rights a lot longer than you’ve been exercising yours. What a damn shame. Hopefully his retirement is right around the corner!
  • They knew who he was.! Was clearly a violation of his rights! It was totally because they knew he is a 1st amendment auditor and are trying to punish him.
  • I love how this ignorant cop keeps saying he’s not going to argue Or debate this, because at the end of the day he knows he’s wrong.
  • It’s amazing how confident he is, I’ve never seen someone so confident that they are completely right but in reality he’s 100% wrong.
  • He keeps telling the other officers to do the stuff he wants to do. Wtf. Do it yourself. You afraid of losing that qualified immunity?
  • suspicion is not a crime and filming in public has been deemed, by the supreme court, a non-suspicious activity and protected under the law and constitution.
  • I think the reason these cops were so bold and seemed to relish helping you record had nothing to do with them understanding ANY of your rights…in my opinion it’s all about them believing they can get away with anything they do!
  • He doesn’t want to argue or debate, because he knows he will lose. I would love to read every cops report on this incident? I wonder how many lies!
  • I am always amazed at how good auditors stay so completely calm. I hope you end up with a civil rights case because when these just go away by having a complaint go into a file things won’t ever change
  • It’s refreshing to see this police officer inform you of who you are and what you’re all about involving YouTube just to get clicks and views can’t wait for part 3
  • Love your break down. You’d think the cops would use this as a training video, but they are too arrogant, and too stupid to learn from their bountiful lies, violations of TX law and violations of Tx penal code.
  • After years of getting glee watching some cop watchers, 1A auditors, and then getting burned out and getting irritated with it all, I can say Battousai stands the test of time. No one being honest can say he’s being problematic, he is straight forward and as Texans would say a “straight shooter”. In fact, if I were to hear he resisted or was combative or inflammatory I would know it’s horse shit. Batman is an S tier auditor/cop watcher.
  • This is the type of cop that they need to use as an example make an example out of him by firing him if he doesn’t know the law
  • He literally admitted that he has been violating rights longer than you have been doing youtube.
  • They think they’re not giving you want you want just because they’re not being physically violent.
  • As a veteran I was fortunate to be able to serve overseas going to Kuwait and patrolling the boarder to Iraq. I’m proud to have served to protect our country and constitution and what it stands for and if it means anything to you, I’m proud of you too. You’re professionalism and bearing exuded towards these bullies is commendable . I want to thank you for your service. Respect…
  • I’m uncomfortable with how he’s feeling you up. Why he keep touching your junk again and again
  • They just know they aren’t accountable for breaking the law and or violating the people’s civil rights. that’s why they recorded this interaction with your own cell, it’s a way of saying we’re above the law and there’s nothing you can do about it. BULLIES WITH A BADGE.
  • What a pack of cowards! Afraid of one unarmed man, that they feel they need to lock his arms behind his back. Pure cowardice.
  • I’m sure they were thinking they will record with your camera, for you, to show off that they are not kicking the crap out of you, like they normally do.
  • Guaranteed these same cops are doing exactly the same today to people who don’t know their rights
  • They’re just not smart enough to figure it out, and knowing there will be no consequences for their actions, there’s no reason to waste their time learning it. Harass, violate, repeat.
  • Once they start, their ego will not allow them to back down. They will keep trying to get you to willingly ID. Please never ID when you know there is no law broken.
  • Unbelievable he‘s holding you hostage they’re not taking you to jail they’re holding you hostage in their car until you ID to them wow the corruption is thick in the officers listening to this bullies orders will soon will regret it
  • This totally validated the Auditing community for doing what they do. There is a very strong need to fix what we see here. Cops either totally not knowing the law or cops totally violating peoples rights thinking it will be with impunity.
  • ID is like crack to a cop. Haha. Good one. I’ve always wondered how an ID helps their investigation 99% of the time.
  • I’ve been watching these videos now for like 4 years I have not seen one cop especially the ones who said they know the law better than you who actually knows the law what is the ignorance where does it come from their schooling their training their pride their what????!!!
  • To think you can identify a guy for filming and that’s suppose to let you know what he’s doing 😆 strip a law abiding citizen of his freedom because they feel like it smh
  • It’d be interesting to wear only a gold thong while auditing and see if they still frisk you for weapons and ID.
  • This tyrant is drunk on power.
This guy likes to talk, but makes his goons do all the violating. Maybe it was a secrete audit. He says all the wrong things on purpose to see if his subordinates would do the right thing and question him. The officer who went in your pockets and the officer who buckled you in did cross those lines by themselves.
0:15, Guys go ahead and frisk him.
1:25, If he wont do it willingly handcuff him.
2:28, If he has an ID we have every right to look at it.
3:59, Go ahead and put him in handcuffs and we can do it (detain him) until we find him on the system.
5:50, Hook him up. (that sounds like an arrested to me)
8:44, Have him sit in the back of the car and lets go ahead an figure out who he is. Handcuffed and buckled up in a police cruiser, a reasonable person would believe they are under arrest not simply detained. But they did put you in the front seat so maybe a little gray area.
  • So voluntarily give up a right or forcefully have it violated… Ah thats how freedom works
  • If they repeatedly bring up the YouTube videos and see what the outcomes are. It shows they are unwilling to educate themselves and need to be removed from the position.
  • As kids we had terms for people who cried about every little thing. We called them piss ant crybabies. The majority of these cops are just trying to protect our community. If you stop messing with them maybe you will have time to invent a robot that wont make mistakes. But until then, having human cops is as good as it gets.
  • I have never been a proponent of defunding the police. I am still not one. However I am for abolishing qualified immunity for any officer that violates the freedom of a law abiding citizen. If this is protecting and serving then we need to let those officers go because who can point out the good officers in this situation? For those who say just comply with unlawful, unconstitutional orders. You are a part of the problem. Law enforcement work for the citizens they are not nor should they ever be considered overlords. When that happens, we no longer have a free society. We then are worse than Hitler or Mao.
  • They need a crime to detain you and for a Terry stop. A Terry stop is a frisk, not a search.
  • What’s really funny is the fact that I’m from Pa. And I know what Tx. 38.02 is! LOL!!!! These cop’s are a absolute joke!!!
    • England here, we’re all up to speed with 38.02 means and we’re on a different continent. 😁🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
  • When you’re wrong, you don’t want to argue. That makes sense.
  • Hey Batt- I love what you do and respect you for it. I am a 25+ year professional and degreed journalist- I don’t say that to diminish non-journalist 1A rights… no journalist has more rights than a private citizen. Conversely, no citizen has less rights than a journalist. My favorite 1A audits are the totally silent ones. A lot of “auditors” say they are going to be silent, but almost none ever remain silent. But a few have, and it was glorious. (In states that are not stop and ID.) I do know, however, that POC have to be more careful in every regard. (Lots of cameras and friends with cameras far away.)
  • I am always amazed at how good auditors stay so completely calm. I hope you end up with a civil rights case because when these just go away by having a complaint go into a file things won’t ever change
  • 6:28 “Texas is not a stop and ID state.” The cop then says “OK, Thanks for telling me the law. Let me tell you whats going to happen. we’re going to detain you until we have properly identified you”. He’s basically said that he’s going to ignore the law and carry on regardless. He definitely thinks he’s a sovereign citizen who can make up his own laws.
  • COP – “The code of criminal procedure gives us that authority”.
  • Supreme Court – No it doesn’t.
  • cop -“this isn’t going to go according to your you tube education…..you are detained so if he has ID we have every right to look at it…..when you are stopped by a police officer you are required to give your name and DOB……..this is an investigative detention……if you want to leave and be free to go just give us your name and DOB……” = we have no idea of the law so we like to bark orders demand ID and go into your pockets to search you for no crime………..this supervisor is totally clueless.. i feel bad for the rookie officers learning from this clown….. we just want to ID you and see if you have warrants….. cops just can’t help their ego…….sadly the cop was too lazy to look up penal code 38.02
  • I’m uncomfortable with how he’s feeling you up. Why he keep touching your junk again and again
  • 7:40 “Why would I cooperate with someone who is treating me like a criminal, even though you already told me I didn’t do anything wrong?” They have NO clue where the disconnect with the public comes from smh
“I don’t know if you’re trying to do something bad”
“I don’t know if you have mental illness”
“I don’t know if you’re breaking the law”
You can hear the disappointment in the cop voice, he probably just learned that he really can’t arrest you 🤣
As egregious as this whole incident was, what bugs me the most is that knowing they are in the wrong and can’t ID Mr Turner, they keep him in handcuffs for one more attempt and then lecture him. At the point they knew they were wrong, those handcuffs should have been off and Mr Turner freed without a second’s delay. Instead, it was another four minutes between the Officer Copsplain approaching the car and Mr Turner being taken from it. If I was on the jury, those 4 minutes would have cost the city a million dollars.
Arrogant, stupid, bullying, cowardly. – Someone tell me again about all the ‘good cops’ there are. Not one of those pigs intervened to say that this was wrong. Not one. Fkng disgusting.
14:30 This copsplaining is hard to stomach, You are so strong dude, I think I would have projectile vomited hearing this crap!
“Cuffs are on by policy”. Isn’t it policy to only put them on law breakers?
>> Sadly no. Use of cuffs falls under “officer safety” you know, the guys with the guns, tasers, mace, bulletproof vests and batons. These guys are so easily scared.
I feel your pain on the cuffs, my wrist were jacked for a couple months after. I would randomly be cutting my food and drop my fork or knife at times. Thanks for standing up for your rights and ours!
The cop-splaining went into overdrive after they figured out that they were way out of line. You are and have always been one of my favorite auditors due to the way you handle your business. All of those screaming and obvious baiting guys have become tiresome. I do enjoy the way you handle cops and your explanations of the circumstances to us. Thanks for all thast you do Phillip!
Did you know that saying “suspicious” three times in the same statement makes it more legitimate? NO! That boss sure seemed to think so. Lol
Did you notice the camera guy was still in those painful handcuffs while the cop has the audacity to not only try to copspain away his illegal activities but he also stands above him, looking down at him like a parent with an unruly child, and lectures AT him for a while. Just another power trip thing. He knows that person wouldn’t stand around and listen to such BS. The cop stepped in it and he was trying to wipe his shoes on the guys t-shirt.
I love how the cops always pull the “you may have a medical condition ” and we may have to have you checked out. Once those words are spoken, you have the cops scared.
“How are you expecting this to play out?” I expect you to know, follow and uphold the law, Officer. If you cannot or will not do so, I expect you to either relieve yourself of duty or be relieved.
This is what happens when you live in a society that requires the person who cuts your hair to have more of an education than the ones who are given a gun and told to uphold law and order and protect and serve the people. I wish a university would do a deep dive study into the personality types who become cops. There are plenty of good cops but we have a abundance of evidence that certain types of people go into law enforcement because they feel it gives them power over people.
That part at the end where the officer says “you can buy a copy of the report”… That’s the exact reason we need to record. They put layers of red tape and can deny FOIA requests for whatever bs reason they come up with. It’s always funny how when people want body Cam footage it takes forever to get released but if the footage clears an officer it’s out immediately.
Did I hear that correct? The settlement was $5500? If so, that is a rounding error for a department that size. They spend twice that annually on fuel for just one patrol vehicle.

Cops Didn’t Show Up For Court After This Stop

This is literally how he got started auditing. Then they wonder why there’s so many auditors

 

 

Man: “Get out of my car!” Lady cop: “Don’t tell me what to do!” What a child, sheesh. I wonder what she would’ve done if he had been more verbally aggressive.
Let’s be honest, they were going to find a reason to search the car no matter what. They weren’t traffic cops trying to give out seat belt tickets.
His last comments said it all. “They are narc cops, they don’t pull people over for seatbelts.” “The pulled me over because I am a white man in a black neighborhood.” This is EXACTLY what these fishing expeditions are all about. To quote my cop friends “We are like sharks, constantly circling, lokking for a reason to pull people over.”
If an officer accuses you of something and then doesn’t show up in court, you better not be liable for any lost revenue / court costs. I would be pissed.
The police really need more accountability. They shouldn’t have any type of immunity. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower
The officer says “relax” to the man surrounded by several people with (I assume loaded) guns and other weapons. I can only wonder how relaxed the officer would have been if the situation were reversed.
The “word” of cops has been taken for truth far too long! It is outrageous that the officer searched his vehicle without his consent and “after” he repeatedly said “NOT” to.
Cops telling people to “stay calm” after or while stripping them of their rights always gets me on this channel lol… The audacity!
They should get a F, for not turning over all footage when requested. To use their logic… Why not just comply with the request “if you have nothing to hide.”
Quote from a cop who wishes to remain anonymous, “every traffic stop is a fishing expedition“. Educating us & protecting us is NOT what cops do!
“Officer safety”. The magic words that allow the cops to order, detain, search, escalate, abuse, assault, humiliate and retaliate.
I think you missed another point about officer safety justifying the search: once they removed him from his car, whatever might have been there was no longer a factor as he couldn’t reach it. By taking him out, maybe even closing the door, they assured their safety from anything that could have been there. Thus, the search, while perhaps legal by the letter of the law, exposes their likely intent to find more “dirt” on him and NOT about officer safety. The search reveals the stop to be almost certainly pretextual to try to find more serious crimes. Legal, yes, but not community-endearing.
The Courts allowing officers to search because they “believe” something, is in direct contradiction to the 4th Amendment. “You need a warrant, unless you decide for yourself that you don’t…then, no problem.” Makes zero sense.
Why were there so many officers present for a “seatbelt” violation? This was a pretextual stop for being in the “wrong neighborhood”
Police Departments MUST be overseen by citizen review boards. Additionally, all body cam videos need to be uploaded within 24-hours and archived by such boards in addition to the departments’ evidence database so they cannot go “missing” or be tampered with. I find it highly “suspicious” (one of cops’ favorite words) that the female cop’s body cam footage is one of the two missing from the FOIA request.
I love the inherent conflict between “people leaning over to the passenger side of their car” being a valid excuse for cops to suspect someone is hiding something and the fact that the glovebox, where most people keep their cars information, requires you to lean over to the passenger seat.
Should have received all 4 body cams, such bullshit to have a system to retrieve information and information can be denied when it contains the victim and may contain information that would put liability against officers or a department. We seriously need further protections and extensions to laws and systems to gain access to information, especially when it directly contains information relating to ourselves and interactions with law enforcement.
A lot of the time, it seems like ATA gives the police “outs” all the time. The idea that the female officer could use some obscure rule, when I’m almost certain she wasn’t thinking of it, gives off the idea to me that these officers can use videos similar to their cases to find loopholes and whatnot.
The supreme court really screwed us with this rule of cops being able to order citizens out of their vehicles for no reason!
So let me get this straight, when you are pulled over, if you act like a helpful, normal member of society and try to get your insurance out of your glove department while waiting for the cop, YOU CAN BE SHOT OR SEARCHED because of something far less likely going through the cops heads? … WHAT?!?
“Why are you acting like this? Why are you using the law to defend your rights?” This is really what they want to say.
Pisses me off how these officers are telling him to relax while they blatantly violate his rights.
She was already searching the car when he said he didn’t consent to it. True, he did eventually admit to getting his phone, but I believe he would still have a very strong case against the search.
Auditor: “Do you know the 4th amendment” Cop: “Yeah I do” Auditor: “What is it” Cop who clearly doesn’t know: “I don’t have to explain myself to you”
Ah yes search the vehicle for “police safety” whilst he’s not in the vehicle and has already been searched and has 4 police officers surrounding him. Yes he lent over but he told them he was putting his phone up
“Just stay calm” sheesh they are so calm and borderline respectful towards him. Yet, I understand where he’s coming from. Hell, if you walk up to a cop car you’ll have 3 or 5 cops wondering why you’re around their vehicles. They were illegally in his vehicle and they wonder why he was irate. I swear it obviously doesn’t take much intelligence to become a cop.
When he said “leaned over” he was quoting what the cop previously said.
Your rights are neutered when you’re in a car. It’s crazy how much leeway courts have given law enforcement over the years.
Every one of those cops are corrupt. They gaslit him and they told him to remain calm. And how did that one cop not know how to read an expiration date?
Officer: “I’m going to search this vehicle whether or not I get permission.”
4th amendment: “you can’t do that.”
Supreme Court: “you CAN do that if you don’t feel safe (hint hint)”
Officer” “I don’t feel safe so I’m going to search this vehicle without permission.” 4th amendment: “WTF?”
I love how cops will say “we are recording too” and then when you try and get the footage they some how only give you half the footage.
The problem here is that he lost his cool and never got it back. You make a lot of mistakes when you’re controlled by emotion. He was not thinking clearly.
Mr. Disorderly- “I don’t talk to cops” Cop- “Cool, get out of the car” Mr. Disorderly then talks for literally the entire stop.
Who trained these officers to tell an irritated person to calm down? When in the history of man has that ever worked? All that has ever achieved is to further irritate the person. Well, it’s Chicago and you’re not exactly dealing with the best and brightest.
Police have been taught that it usually has the opposite effect when someone is being violated. They say “calm down” because They want their victim to give them a reason to be violent.
 @A Bike and Its Boy  telling people what to do, when they didn’t ask you for it. Just like Karen. Bye Felicia
Being that the individual was outside the vehicle when the search of his vehicle began, he would not have been in a position to obtain the weapon if he had one. This rendering the officers claim invalid as to officer safety. Have a great day 😊.
I love how they kept distracting him with the same questions repeatedly to draw attention away from the officer who they were not going to interfere with while she was going through his stuff. If I learned anything from this, it’s to keep a stash of uncapped hypodermic needles on hand just to toss under the seat as a deterrent for any such actions. Let them learn on their own… 🤷🏾‍♂ One thing he did wrong, which I do anytime I get stopped, roll up all the windows and lock the doors. She’s never should have been able to open that door to begin with.
One of the most offensive things is that cop who keeps saying “Just relax” and “Relax. Relax”. If I were a judge, I’d lock him up with a Lexis/Nexis computer and would not let him out until he printed out for me the statues that say “failure to relax” is a cri’me. That cop wasn’t issuing lawful orders. That cop was just on an ego-trip. There’s no law against not relaxing. He was clearly way out of his rights and just trying to make the subject kow-tow by issuing UNlawful commands. (And after the cop gives up and says “I had no right under law to tell him to relax” then I’d give him a trial for abusing his authority and throw him in jail for the rest of his life. And that’s because I don’t believe in the death-penalty. There’s just no excuse for bossing people around gratuitously just because it makes someone feel superior.
These guys tried soooooo hard to implicate him in admitting to “furtive movements 🙄” so that they can justify an unconstitutional search. Disgusting
Audit the Audit gets an F on this one. A furtive movement is one that “attempts to avoid notice or attention”. Leaning isnt furtive, its obvious and everyone pulled over leans to retrieve their wallet or ID. If anything Audit the Audit suggested were in fact lawful, every single movement in a vehicle could be considered furtive and warrantless searches would be common place as the 4th would be moot. The problem with taking a sentence out of case law is that each case is decided on a totality of the circumstances. In this case the police only had “leaning over”. They couldnt cite a violent criminal history or history of gun possession. They couldnt claim location was a hot spot of criminal activity. They couldn’t claim there was a high risk to the nature of the stop. They had nothing and likely the two body cameras they didnt send footage for showed the police intended to pull the car over to conduct a search, just like the guy asserted.
SO CORUPT! If a cop doesn’t show up for court they should never be allowed to be a cop because it shows they will use there power for bad and then simply not show up for accountability.
.. One of the main reasons why the Supreme Court has shredded the 4th Amendment is to help cops and prosecutors wage their failed drug war against Americans. The war against drugs is actually a war waged by the government against its own citizens.
In essence, a cop can just make up anything they want to make your life hard and they are covered by qualified immunity
Get that incompetent “officer” out of his car. She falsely accused him of having expired car insurance 😵‍💫 She is clearly not capable of much
The cops were trying to get him to say exactly where the insurance was so they could say he gave them implied consent to get in his car.
If you’ve got nothing to hide, then why didn’t you show up to testify, officer?
>> Same thing happened to me in Illinois. 44 in a 30 as I’m crossing the sign that says 45 mph. Cited for 44 in a 30 and they no showed after trying to get in the car. I yelled way worse than he did 😂
>> You’re suggesting that the officer didn’t show up because he/she has something to hide? I guess that’s possible, but I’m thinking that this is a minor seat-belt citation, and it is not uncommon for law enforcement not to show up for such minor violations when there might be other priorities. Therefore, if you have the time and it’s not too inconvenient you should always contest a minor infraction – there’s a good likelihood the officer will not show up.
 @Captain Ron  I totally agree with you. Always contest the ticket to the magistrate and if you lose there appeal to see the judge. Most cops would rather be getting private overtime work for more pay, They can’t pass up the easy money and I don’t blame them one bit.
Captain Ron. If it’s not important enough to show up to testify, then it’s not important enough to write the ticket! This was a pretextual stop, because, as he stated,he drove through a known drug trafficking area! She was searching for drugs, not a gun!
i love how the cop hands the insurance to the lady bc she’s the one dealing with the power trip. so funny how they support each other. he couldn’t just check?
When cops say, “we aren’t gonna argue over this on the side of the road, that’s what court is for…” then cops don’t show up for court
If I were this guy, I’d have said two things (among others): 1. STOP CALLING ME BRO! 2. STOP TELLING ME TO RELAX!
It’s funny how the vehicle paint states “we serve and protect” when the highest court of the land ruled they have no obligation to our safety.
From what i have seen in my lifetime is most officers know the loop holes of the law way better then the actual law they are to follow
It’s hard to stay calm when you think you are being violated I feel for the dude
When I’ve been pulled over I’ve HAD to reach over to get my license and registration, as I assume most people do. Who has all that stuff in a spot where they can just grab it without reaching?
“I don’t answer questions…I don’t answer questions…Now let me go ahead and answer all your questions.” ….. There is NEVER a benefit to say ANYTHING to the police in ANY circumstance other than “Am I being detained”, “Am I free to go” or “I want my lawyer”. Anything else can ONLY hurt you.
The guy is out of his vehicle, the windows are down and it’s broad daylight but yet she’s searching his car without good reason or his permission. It’s like they’re trying to distract him with questions but they wouldn’t stop what they were doing.
>> I just couldn’t imagine being a police officer and then apparently being so dang scared of every single encounter they initiate.
>>  @Ash Williams  they’re not scared, it’s their excuse for acting illegally and controlling people.
>> “He leaned over therefore it’s reasonable to believe the cops life may be in danger” -the justice system We need to break the back of the justice system on these issues.
I’m pretty convinced at this point, having had similar things happen to me (getting pulled over and searched for drugs when there were not drugs or even suspicion of any), that cops just do this to piss you off/get back at you for something you said/inconvenience you. They know you won’t be busted for anything, but they know how to ring you through the system to make your life at least miserable and inconvenienced. And then there is a record that you had an encounter with them, which makes you look more suspect each time you run into a cop. I’m not sure if there is a name for this phenomenon. I just call it ringing you through the system. This is how they attack you without actually attacking you.

..  I always love to listen to police calmly tell citizens to “relax bro” – AFTER they have stopped, harassed, illegally searched, belittled, frisked, and made the citizen leave the vehicle and put their hands on the top of the car. In what universe does this silly expression, “relax bro” not serve to further anger a justifiably outraged citizen?

Reminds me of when I got charged with fleeing the scene of an accident, plus another half a dozen of bs charges and when I showed up to court. The state trooper never showed up and everything got dismissed.
IMO this is fascism in America full stop. These cops operate without any regard for the law

>> It is Authoritarianism, not Fascism but all Fascism is Authoritarianism.

Isn’t that contempt of court when they don’t show up for court? I thought if you don’t show up a bench warrant goes out for your arrest? That would have been awesome to see those cops get arrested

The “protective search” of the car is straight bs and should not be allowed or justified. Being allowed to remove the occupants of a vehicle for officer safety and doing a terry pat down should be sufficient. In that case any police officer can use the argument, as what you used in this video, that the person(s) leaned over to justify any search of a vehicle where other items (“evidence”) other than illegal weapons are found.
I also believe they wrote the citation to jam him up and screw with him just for arguing. That citation is a straight up contempt of cop citation. Im sure like the driver in this video pointed out, those officers are not worried about seatbelt violations, though using any be traffic violation to create a legal reason for the stop.
It seems like the police could just say “I saw you reach for something” and use that as articulable suspicion to be able to search the vehicle, regardless of whether the suspicion has any factual basis.
He was out of the car when the search occurred. No way was this for officer protection. He could not reach for anything on the passenger side when he is outside and on the drivers side and controlled by two officers. They were looking for drugs or another reason to arrest him.
We’ve given government so much power that there’s almost no way to know if you’re in the right or wrong. There’s the 4th amendment but all kinds of exceptions to it. The fact that he can lean over in his own car and that’s apparently suspicious, is insane.
I do appreciate that the officers tried to calm him down and de-escalate after realizing they were completely in the wrong regarding the initial search. Though they SHOULD have apologized.
Here’s a thought, maybe police should stop doing “hazardous roadside encounters” if they are soooooo afraid of everyone that moves, and clearly violates the 4th amendment. That why it protect the police and keeps our 4th amendments intact. Just a thought.
So, all a cop has to do is “Claim” they saw someone lean or reach over and they can do a warrantless search. Nice to know we are safe from accusations. Even if the claim had been true, they could have asked him to step out for their safety. Confirmed he was unarmed and then proceeded with stop as normal. Instead you have 4 cops for a random for a traffic stop? Four? And one immediately opens the car and starts searching rather than a cursory visual inspection from outside that would be more than enough to verify if a weapon was present. This was intentional instigation. On top of that the woman couldn’t even read the insurance right, or was lying in order to enter and search the car again.
Ugh, so much ambiguity built into the law to protect police corruption. “I smell weed” “You leaned over” All subjective, requires no evidence, and leaves the door wide open for them to do what they want, regardless of actual observable facts.
This is what everyone is overlooking, he was stopped in a black neighborhood . that means those cops are doing the same thing every day all day to that community. Every black person that interacts with these cops are not criminals….and just imagine is this was at night.
Never in the history of “calm down/relax” has anyone ever calmed down nor relaxed 😂
When I first saw this and saw plain clothes officers all ready to go I knew it was a prejudged stop. They knew what they were trying to do.
Got to love it when officers assert their Authority and dominance to scare people into conforming. She could have easily said sorry and backed away but instead she wanted to justify her actions and fight with the person to assert dominance. What happened to the good old days when they told officers not to argue with people and just do their job???
I bet the “stay calm, relax” guy knew what they were doing was wrong, but wasn’t brave enough to stop it
Let’s get this straight as I hear this a lot from people being harassed by cops. They’ll say ‘In a hard working American with a job/ business. I pay my taxes’ etc. It does not matter if you are. It does not give your Rights any more juice than a unemployed homeless person.
I get what you’re doing by clearly breaking down the letter of the law, and it is often helpful. But It would really lend your channel a lot more credibility and popularity if you would point out how some case law and even supreme court rulings clearly fly in the face of the spirit of the constitution and are outright tyrannical in nature. Any excuse to search a person’s vehicle without a warrant are plain examples of this. The idea that officers safety outweighs the safety of the citizenry is itself a crime. Do better man.
Seems like the courts rule to give the impression of freedom’s while leaving enough loopholes so the police can act with impunity. You act like the police know the law, whereas I feel they know that they can do whatever and will find a law/create a reason to back them up later.
The female officer searched his vehicle not on direct suspicion of a crime having been committed but instead trying to see if a crime has been committed. Shame on these cops and I hope the lawsuit is fat.
All those exceptions… The biggest danger for the constritution is the supreme court
When he said “You want to see what I was leaning over to get… it was my phone!” he was only repeating the words the cop used, not admitting it himself. He follows it up with “it’s on me.” Meaning it was in his pocket and not on the passenger side, where they claim “he may be trying to hide something.”

Because I’m white in a black neighborhood” this actually happened to me and the cop pretty much admitted to it outright during the stop. In 2016, my aunt was working for a company called Niantic and she convinced me and my mom to check out Pokemon Go. I kind of got into playing it for awhile😂 there was this website that showed where rare Pokemon spawns were and a rare Pokemon was spawning a few miles from my house in a city called Inkster. So I drove to the area and was trying to find the Pokemon. I was driving slowly down a rough street, where the stupid Pokemon should have been but it didn’t spawn so I drove around the block

As I was driving, I got pulled over. It was daytime, but the cop claimed he pulled me over because the license plate light on my SUV was out(which, it was my mom’s car and I didn’t even know she had one, my car didn’t. It isn’t a requirement to have) He asked me to step out of my vehicle and offered to show me what he was talking about and then asked if I minded if his partner “took a look around in the car”

I was naive, dumb and terrified. I thought if I said no they would suspect I was doing something wrong or hiding something so I said sure. We got to the back of the car by the license plate and I remembered the car was off so he couldn’t show me the light. He began asking me who I knew in this area, which house I was going to, I said I did know someone who lived like a half mile down but I wasn’t going to anyone’s house and explained that I was looking for a Pokemon and he said “Oh that explains why you were looking at your phone when you stopped on the street back there” He told me this was a bad neighborhood, that I didn’t “exactly look” like I “should be here” and he made it very clear that they thought I was here to buy drugs. As if that is the only reason I would possibly be in a predominantly black neighborhood 😤

Once they finished casually poking around in my car, they told me to start the car and they go “oh look at that, your license plate light is working again, you don’t need to worry about getting it fixed”. I was baffled. They lied to pull me over. When I was a teenager my boyfriend’s cars brake lights were shorting out apparently, we got pulled over and the cop just let us know that our brake light was out but when we went over the railroad tracks, it turned back on and that it was probably a wiring issue and gave us a fix it ticket. These cops were telling me I didn’t need to worry about the fact that the light was magically working again. It was all very weird

Love how AFTER violating this guys rights they keep saying ‘relax’ and ‘calm down’…
99% off drivers have their insurance and registration in their glove box. So anyone who reaches for that stuff before the cop walks to the car gives the cops reasonable suspicion to search the car I guess
>> Good point. It’s probably better to wait until the cop asks for the documents before reaching for them. Except that Philando Castile was shot and killed because he reached into his back pocket to get his wallet. And the cop who killed him was found not guilty by a jury.
>>  @Jon Stone  ANNNND he only reached because the officer told him to give him ID… as a PASSENGER… who previously VOLUNTEERED that he was legally carrying a concealed weapon! If someone takes the initiative to tell you they’re carrying, and afterwards you request ID, it was 100% YOUR responsibility to instruct them how to provide it in such a manner to allay your fears of them drawing their weapon.

>> That’s why I keep my registration and insurance in my driver side visor

>> Truth is if your black than almost anything you do puts fear in the cops minds. And the most dangerous thing you can do is challenge a cop and hurt their ego.

Not really sure how an “officer safety” search can be valid…ever. Once they removed him from the car and patted him down, any weapon he had in the vehicle is no longer accessible.
Regardless of if they had reason to be suspicious of him, they still continue to blame him for the incident and tell him to calm down, rather than just admit their suspicions were wrong.
People gotta remember that there is a law called deprivation of rights on the color of law. It is a federal crime for any person who can utilize the law to deprive you of your rights while under that color of law. A violation of your rises also a deprivation of your rights. This is punishd between one and 10 years and a federal prison. If a life is lost during the deprivation of rights then the death penalty can automatically be on the table at the federal level. You have to file these charge with the feder yourself. It is time we start filed these charges with every single deprivation of your rights. Also when I please have some breaks the law starting system the weapons related charges are also included. Because the more they broke the law there in Alanna protected by the law or at least should not be which means, their possession of firearms while committing crimes! It’s time we start holding them to a higher level. Nobody’s expecting them to be perfect and above reprieve. But knowledgeable of the law respectful and professional, hell yes!

 

However when the officer asked him to get out and he willingly complied, they lost all right to enter the vehicle. Since he’s now outside the vehicle, there’s no reasonable assumption for him to be able to reach the supposed weapon they thought he was hiding. Therefore they have mitigated officer safety by removing him from the vehicle instead.
I believe the fact that not even one of the four officers showed up for the court date says about all we need to know about their case and how well it would stand up against questions in court.
My lawyer is filling a motion to suppress as I type. I was never charged with the reason for the stop (Invalid plate). Because they were valid. The DMV even sent me a certified document agreeing with me. Pulled over in 2018 Document received in 2020 Motion filled in 2022 30 court dates 1 public defender quit because he didn’t want to file the motion! If I had money for a real lawyer this would be history. If you’re still reading this ..my charges are driving without a license and possession of paraphernalia (pot pipe) In my defense….you can’t get fruit from the poisonous tree. In the last 4 years I’ve learned a lot from videos and if I could do it again I’d ask for a supervisor and have them run my plates, then I could have caught the officer lying on the spot! I was on probation and a registered co-owner of the car. Yet the cop said no name was associated to the plates. And yet here I am 4 years later with the DMV ( a State entity) saying the plates were legal, trying to defend myself from the State. Morale of the story….if you want things done and you have a public defender…you must do them yourself. They won’t defend you, all they will do is represent you.
Did u know that it even turned out that their reason for the stop “the seatbelt” wasn’t even valid and this was based on where the cop was at the junction as dpn passed him because there was no way he would have been able to see his seatbelt from the passenger side window as he passed the crossroad where the cop was stopped at the traffic lights to his right! THATS probably the reason they didn’t turn up in court, because they knew the stop was bullshit in the first place! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
.. He’d been a black man he’d already be in handcuffs
.. They really thought they could mess with him until he said Terry v Ohio. Their whole demeanor changed after that most holy of prayers
>> Sad that you need to be a lawyer to keep cops off your rights. But still the best way should be to just remain silent and file a complaint/go to court later instead of resisting in any way beyond expressing your disagreement.
 @Dr. Topgun  unfortunately not a lot of people have the time/finances to challenge this kind of thing in court without completely ruining their lives
 @Shawn Moses  Oh ok, but how is it exactly in the US? Where I live, if you win in court you get back all your expenses. Plus you can have an insurrance for legal expenses too, which covers all possible costs. But I figured thats not popular in the US…
“Officer safety”, that is the most obscene excuses used to justify illegal searches and detainments by LEOs.
Clearly an extremely controversial search of that man’s vehicle, over an alleged seatbelt violation. I’m a retired police officer and before I search someone’s vehicle, certain parameters need to have been met. What these officers did was uncalled for, unprofessional and likely illegal. The officers, based on the number of them and how they were dressed, seemed to have been on a fishing expedition that went horribly wrong for them.
I guess all vehicles can be searched when drivers lean over to get their documents out of the glovebox.
I didn’t know that driving while white was a thing. I guarantee this guy was not pulled over for a seatbelt violation. I also guarantee that the cops wish in retrospect that theyhad taken a pass on playing with this guy. He was a handful for sure.
Almost all the cops I have come across, have that air of entitlement. As if, we are cattle and they are the royalty, and has in good graces, let us “work” there… It’s not like it’s the other way around. No wonder, why a few just loose their marbles and end up blasting these people sometimes. I just hope, when that thing happens, none of the good ones get caught in that sh!t storm!
I love how they say that they are recording… yet their recordings go missing or they are muted or they are not uploaded. When will these stupid ass LEOs start behaving smarter than a 5th grader???
officer safety” is like “national securityit just means whatever they want it to mean. may gain control of weapons? he was literally driving a possible weapon.
Imagine citizens being able to commit a crime under the guise of citizen safety
One of the biggest problems with modern law enforcement is that hyperbolic emphasis on officer safety– which is a valid concern that auditers all too often dismiss out of hand– conflicts with the orthogonal goal of community relations. Yes, incidents like the Newhall shooting do happen, and it is important for officer training to focus on vigilance. However the pendulum has swung too far from officer friendly to soldier cop for my taste.
Every time an otherwise law abiding citizen has a negative interaction with an officer, he or she becomes that much less likely to trust and cooperate with law enforcement in the future. And that greatly harms the relationship between citizen and officer that our political and law enforcement culture is supposed to be based on.
I have to disagree with the finding of the PD. They get an F for all the reasons stated in the video, but for also failing to ensure the capture or protection of the two officers’ worn bodycamera footage. These cameras are there for the purpose of keeping an honest, unbiased record of the events, so when 50% of those responding fail to produce/protect said video evidence, it is a clear dereliction of their duty, OR a gross indication of their department, one willing to do what it takes to avoid public scrutiny. Any organization whose success record is tied directly to the collection of evidence that also has such flagrant disregard for video footage collection which may in fact exonerate their behaviour, for the simple reason that it MAY catch them acting poorly, should more than likely have the entire leadership removed, the officers retrained, and the staff sacked or transferred.
I’ve watched many Audit the Audit clips and noticed a common theme about the police interactions “…the officers missed a valuable opportunity…” Somehow during the course of doing their job; the police forgot about common decency and forgot about “to protect and serve.” This stop should have been, “wear your seat belt” followed by “have a nice day.” Instead 4 officers are involved.
It always amazes me when out of control cops tell people to relax.
How TF did you give the cops a C, after they purposely hid Incriminating evidence? There was a reason he only got 2 bodycam videos. There is always a reason… they always suppress the videos that makes cops look bad. Often it’s conversations between each other as they conspire to create a crime that didn’t exist. It is what they believe their job is.