openpolitics.com

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oh just interesting first of all how do

you manage to to have discussions with

both jordan peterson and at the same

time people like automated which are

totally of the different size of the map

and still be a look of the interview or

a discussion that partner by both sides

of the equation with some alienating one

of the sites you know a lot of people in

your position just like enough being

either clone of the right totally

election they can’t have discussions

that’s a very good question I’m not sure

I know the answer I mean my audience

probably has a better sense of that than

I do but you know I’ve had like

published dialogues with Paul Krugman

Jeffrey Sachs Dani Rodrik Larry Summers

there is basically all like the leading

left-leaning

economists and I just asked them like

would you do it and they all said yes

and none of them have been paid yet

either it’s not like oh we had to shell

out you know the box to get Paul Krugman

just asked him I guess I think he

thought he would get a fair treatment

and then when you do a bunch of these if

people feel the others have gotten a

fair treatment they’re willing to do it

too

but I’m genuinely mystified because you

know I never thought any of those people

would say yes so like through some way

in which I’m still miss perceiving the

world people

meet printed in the same newspaper as

some of the other people that you like I

think a lot of them see Jordan Pearson

is a really yeah you know I think I

approach those conversations trying to

learn from those people and not trying

to refute them so I try to refute myself

in a sense and that changes the demeanor

and the tone and I guess it’s working

for attracting the people like sometimes

readers will write to me and they’ll say

Oh Krugman said this Jeff Sachs said

that like how could you just let that

slide they want me to like fight combat

with them on every point but somehow

that’s not what I think it should be

like if their arguments have weaknesses

maybe those weaknesses will come out

more if I’m encouraging and drawing out

the argument rather than in just

refuting it and that’s been like part of

what my podcast series has been about

but again it’s still a mystery to me I

think sometimes just like if you do

things that other people think can’t be

done like they can be done so just do

them that’s a very naive answer but I

don’t think it’s totally off-base either

so we’re all like under investing in

just doing things because I didn’t

approach this with any kind of plan or

strategy whatsoever I just like asked

them and then did it and it’s gone

pretty well and it’s a very popular

podcast and it’s like famous writers

we’ve had in it like Margaret Atwood all

sorts of different people I didn’t think

would be possible Martina Navratilova

the tennis star Kareem abdul-jabbar the

basketball player sorry yeah so for them

it’s like a platform where they can

reach a quality audience so I’m like

giving them access to my audience they

value that and it’s kind of like a

challenge I sometimes say I approach the

podcast I try to make every person look

as smart as possible and

that’s actually a lot more intimidating

than when someone tries to make you look

as stupid as possible because you’re

used to that people trying to refute you

like you always have your comebacks but

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the pressure on you and someone’s trying

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to make you look really smart like

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that’s a real challenge for people and I

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think they somehow respect that or they

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don’t get enough of it elsewhere and

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they’re sort of keen to sign up and take

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on the challenge like if I ask you the

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hardest but sympathetic questions like

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how well will you do and people like

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that anyway I thank you all for coming

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if you have been like any follow-up

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questions ever you can just feel free to

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email me my email is online and I’d like

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to thank my hosts also for having me

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here in Israel it’s been a great

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privilege and I do hope to come back and

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again thank you all for the evening

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