76:48oh just interesting first of all how doyou manage to to have discussions withboth jordan peterson and at the sametime people like automated which aretotally of the different size of the mapand still be a look of the interview ora discussion that partner by both sidesof the equation with some alienating oneof the sites you know a lot of people inyour position just like enough beingeither clone of the right totallyelection they can’t have discussionsthat’s a very good question I’m not sureI know the answer I mean my audienceprobably has a better sense of that thanI do but you know I’ve had likepublished dialogues with Paul KrugmanJeffrey Sachs Dani Rodrik Larry Summersthere is basically all like the leadingleft-leaningeconomists and I just asked them likewould you do it and they all said yesand none of them have been paid yeteither it’s not like oh we had to shellout you know the box to get Paul Krugmanjust asked him I guess I think hethought he would get a fair treatmentand then when you do a bunch of these ifpeople feel the others have gotten afair treatment they’re willing to do ittoobut I’m genuinely mystified because youknow I never thought any of those peoplewould say yes so like through some wayin which I’m still miss perceiving theworld peoplemeet printed in the same newspaper assome of the other people that you like Ithink a lot of them see Jordan Pearsonis a really yeah you know I think Iapproach those conversations trying tolearn from those people and not tryingto refute them so I try to refute myselfin a sense and that changes the demeanorand the tone and I guess it’s workingfor attracting the people like sometimesreaders will write to me and they’ll sayOh Krugman said this Jeff Sachs saidthat like how could you just let thatslide they want me to like fight combatwith them on every point but somehowthat’s not what I think it should belike if their arguments have weaknessesmaybe those weaknesses will come outmore if I’m encouraging and drawing outthe argument rather than in justrefuting it and that’s been like part ofwhat my podcast series has been aboutbut again it’s still a mystery to me Ithink sometimes just like if you dothings that other people think can’t bedone like they can be done so just dothem that’s a very naive answer but Idon’t think it’s totally off-base eitherso we’re all like under investing injust doing things because I didn’tapproach this with any kind of plan orstrategy whatsoever I just like askedthem and then did it and it’s gonepretty well and it’s a very popularpodcast and it’s like famous writerswe’ve had in it like Margaret Atwood allsorts of different people I didn’t thinkwould be possible Martina Navratilovathe tennis star Kareem abdul-jabbar thebasketball player sorry yeah so for themit’s like a platform where they canreach a quality audience so I’m likegiving them access to my audience theyvalue that and it’s kind of like achallenge I sometimes say I approach thepodcast I try to make every person lookas smart as possible andthat’s actually a lot more intimidatingthan when someone tries to make you lookas stupid as possible because you’reused to that people trying to refute youlike you always have your comebacks but80:54the pressure on you and someone’s trying80:55to make you look really smart like80:57that’s a real challenge for people and I81:00think they somehow respect that or they81:02don’t get enough of it elsewhere and81:04they’re sort of keen to sign up and take81:06on the challenge like if I ask you the81:08hardest but sympathetic questions like81:11how well will you do and people like81:13that anyway I thank you all for coming81:18if you have been like any follow-up81:19questions ever you can just feel free to81:21email me my email is online and I’d like81:24to thank my hosts also for having me81:27here in Israel it’s been a great81:28privilege and I do hope to come back and81:30again thank you all for the evening81:33[Applause]
Civil discourse is in decline, with potentially dire results for American democracy.
People born after 1995, especially the coasts and Chicago feel anxiety and fear.
Kids on milk cartons
We deprived kids to develop their normal risk taking abilities
Social media spreads to kids who are 11, 12, 13, and this stresses kids
- imagine the absolute worst of Jr High School, 24-hours a day forever
- Social media develops an echo chamber which gives you a dopamine rush
(30 min) Some people are looking to interpreting things in the worst possible light and Call-Out things.
There is no trust.
There are more conservatives and more liberals and less moderates.
(34 min) Upper class liberals are reporting their lower class minority people for being insensitive.
3 Great Untruths:
- What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker.
- Always trust your feelings.
- Life is a battle between good people and evil people.
Many of the people most passionate about aggressive speech police belong to high class liberal elites.
Individuals bear much of the blame for fake news. The study found that false rumors travel the Internet much more rapidly and widely than facts. These untruths get their velocity and reach not from celebrity influencers but from ordinary citizens sharing among their networks.
Evidently, we humans have a strong preference for novelty and sensationalism over scrupulous reality.
.. “Falsehood diffused significantly farther, faster, deeper, and more broadly than the truth in all categories of information,” the MIT scientists concluded after examining more than 125,000 stories shared by more than 3 million Twitter users. The most viral lies, they found, involved “false political news.”
.. Politics is tribal. It is a way of organizing conflict.
.. We are inclined to credit anything we hear from our allies and to believe the worst of our foes. In politics we see information as potential ammunition; we evaluate it for its potency and lethality rather than its strict veracity.
.. the Internet smokes out our self-deceptions and shows us as we really are.
Gambling and porn flourish on the Internet. Reasoned civil discourse, not so much.
.. This is a profound blow to idealists of the marketplace of ideas. From Adam Smith to Friedrich Hayek to James Surowiecki, the author of “The Wisdom of Crowds,” wise thinkers have emphasized the positive economic effects of dispersed power. A great many people, free to pursue the wisdom of their experiences and the perspectives from their vantage points, will arrive — as if moved by an invisible hand — at better results than any single mind or central planning bureaucracy could achieve.
.. But it turns out that the crowd is wise only when it is asking the right questions. A crowd determined to get the best value on flat-screen televisions will soon discover the proper price; but a crowd swept up by tulips or cryptocurrency may find itself pricing euphoria instead of value.What we see from Twitter and other platforms clearly signals that too many people are asking the wrong questions.. our ability to spread our careless and malign thinking is brand-new. Of all the digital-age jargon, perhaps none is more apt than “going viral,” because the contagion of bad information is a matter of individuals passing germs from host to host with geometric speed. Only disciplined digital hygiene can halt the epidemic.