City Council tried to get Police try to Trespass from Public Property without giving a Reason

 

These Cops are ridiculous. I’m going to trespass you but I don’t know why! 🤦🏿
I feel sorry for the first officer, some higher up has thrown him into that situation. Shame on on the Officer or attorney who did that to him.
You can not come to a person’s home without a warrant and charge someone for a crime that occurred elsewhere without any type of proof or investigation. Especially trespassing someone from a building that they are not currently located.
CANNOT TRESPASS A CITIZEN FROM PUBLIC PROPERTY IF THERE IS NO CRIME.
Throwing the YOU ARE BEING DETAINED should cost the IGNORANT OFFICER’S AGENCY MONEY. THAT IS DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW, A FEDERAL OFFENSE. We need to flood the court system with as many as these rights violations as possible. It’s not until it starts to cost money that things can change. The media should be covering this EXTENSIVELY
“just following orders”. Crazy. Not a care or thought to want to see if the trespass is legal. No investigations. Just doing what their told no matter what. But the problems here obviously extend far beyond the department. I really hope this guy has a good lawyer and considers taking the whole situation to the media.
I would have liked him to say: I want to criminally trespass everyone working at city hall from my property. I’m not telling you why, if they have been here, or when. I just want you go to their houses, knock their doors, and ask them for ID and to sign some paper. It is not harassment.”
Perfect example of cops attitude today, they do whatever their political masters tell them to do. They absolutely earn the reputation they have!
I’m currently a LEO. I can assure everyone, you need a reason to trespass someone from a public area. This individual should’ve and could’ve closed the door on these LEOs. Secondly how are they going to trespass someone they haven’t identified? The LEO should’ve used common sense on this one.
How the hell can an employee at City Hall threaten to arrest you for trespassing simply by going to City Hall? City Hall is a public building, and every citizen has a right to go there. I would only make an exception if this person had gone to City Hall and physically attacked somebody. To call this an overreach of bureaucratic Authority is a gross understatement.
The bits this guy was saying about “Getting Fired for refusing to dump euthanized animals at the city dump”, sounds like something that needs to be investigated. City Hall sending Law Enforcement to this mans house, with no knowledge of why he is being CRIMINALLY TRESPASSED, sure looks like some Illegal Corruption at City Hall. We may have to look into this one.
Sgt said “It’s not our job to decide what you have or have not done” and he couldn’t be more wrong. It is his duty to figure out exactly what went down in order to issue a criminal trespass warning from a public place. Simply because someone at city hall asked him to be trespassed is not enough, there needs have been a crime committed or an ordinance violated. These cops are confusing a trespass from private property as opposed to public property.
Cop #1 shows the caliber of cop that every department seems to staff: follow orders without question and regardless of legality of the order. It is truly sad that pretty much EVERY cop in the country thinks that the laws for trespassing are the same for PUBLIC places as they are for PRIVATE places. (OR they are willing to LIE about what the law says… which amounts to the same thing.)
<<City Hall sending Law Enforcement to this mans house, with no knowledge of why he is being CRIMINALLY TRESPASSED, sure looks like some Illegal Corruption at City Hall.>>
 @Aaron J  I get what you’re saying but I also get what OP was saying, I think. I believe it all hinges on the legality of the trespass being 1) issued at all since it was for a public space & 2) issued as it was long after his appearance at the City Hall. As for the 1st point, it’s my understanding that a citizen may NOT be trespassed from any public space unless the person has committed a crime on said public grounds. As to the 2nd point, meh, seems sorta sketchy to me.
I mean if a person’s behavior was so bad as to be criminal I would’ve thought the police would’ve intervened then & there NOT wait days or weeks. As for the notion of corruption or other unfunny funny business. Animals euthanized at a city or county run facility must be disposed of by that entity. AND that disposal must meet certain Health Dept guidelines. Exactly what those are I do not know, mostly b/c I don’t know the location of the video & of the local govt. AND I have no idea exactly how the dump site was disposing of the bodies. Based on what I heard the guy say the “how” of the disposal was the sticking point for him. Sounds like the “how” might not be meeting Health Dept codes &/or standards. Maybe there was an issue of disrespect. At any rate sounds like he may have brought that up at the meeting & if they’re disposing of dead animals in an unhealthy manner in order to cut costs, well that’s the very last thing they would want spoken aloud in an open meeting. That makes sense about shutting him up but it also unfortunately looks like they’re trying to hide or cover over some shady shizzle. Just my 2 cents. Blessings

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Good on him, You do not have to give your information for a trespass waning, don’t let them pull that nonsense on you. The individual being trespassed has no legal duty to provide the trespassing entity with their personal information, the onus is on them to remember who you are you do not have to assist them with it. There is no “Trespass system”, they just want your info to run you for warrants and start a CAD entry on you, don’t fall for it. Trespass is not a crime, trespass after warning is the crime. When a cop pulls that “We need your information to put you in the trespass system!” they are lying to you, people fall for it all the damn time, it drives me bonkers.
How can cops come to your house, and inform you that you’re trespassed from City Hall, when the cops can’t tell him why he is trespassed. Yet expect him to hand over his identification details and then sign a form without telling what he has done wrong.  This is why I’m an advocate for no local Police Department’s. State Police Force only covering the whole State.  No locally employed police means that no local entity owns or controls you.
Basically the argument of the cops in the video is: “We don’t know if you did anything illegal, and we don’t know why you’re being trespassed, but some unnamed person told us to trespass you, so we are here to do that, even though we don’t have a court order.” Yeah. Their argument will TOTALLY hold up in court. 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
This is a huge violation of his 1A rights. If he is being trespassed to keep him from going to a city council meeting, that is denying him the right to seek redress of grievances. Hope he sues the city.
Common intimidation tactic local governments use against people that oppose their views and show up to public meetings to speak out.
100% of the time citizens tell cops they are harassing them they respond with: ‘I’m not harassing you’. Every. Single. Time.
10:38 “It’s not our job to know why” — Yes it is, because if you don’t know why you can’t determine whether the orders you’re following are lawful or not, and to follow unlawful orders is unlawful. “I was just following orders” is not a valid defence.
What’s appalling is the fact they went to his house, this means they know who he is, why would you ask for DOB? 🤨
Cop “I don’t know what’s this is about.” Then leave. Get the information and warrant. Otherwise, bye.
It’s funny how it seems like every cop says ok 20 times when the auditors break the law down for them but they still don’t understand or won’t understand
Sounds like a city council member didn’t like what this guy said at the last meeting. He should just take the trespass and file a 1st Amendment claim against the city.
When did Serve & Protect turn into Arrest & Collect, Harass & Penalize, Enslave  & Abuse, Punish & Oppress, and Comply or DIE?
The cop keeps saying “that’s not how a trespass warning works” even though the cop has no idea that you cannot trespass someone from public property unless they’ve committed a crime, and he’s not even AT city hall.
I’ve watched many 100’s of 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment audit videos. Every cop, no matter where in the country, says “okay” over and over, as their 1st knee jerk response…and then proceed to trample all over the rights that they are supposed to protect. This tactic and response MUST be part of their training…to say “okay”, maybe in an attempt to SEEM reasonable, as they look for an opportunity to become unreasonable. Disgusting.
“It is not our job to know why we do what we do. It is our job to follow orders blindly, like the good little Jackboots we are…”
“I’m just following orders,” is not an excuse for a government SERVANT to violate the rights of an American. “Citizens are first.” Cop responds with, “That’s your opinion.” What a clown.
Sgt. “It’s not our job to know why” Pretty much explains everything these days lol
A trespass from a city hall, so that means you MUST have broken some law, MUST have done something illegal, otherwise that trespass is ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YOU CANNOT TRESPASS A CITIZEN FROM PUBLIC UNLESS THERE WAS A CRIME COMMITTED !!! And then the supervisor says he didn’t do anything wrong, therefore he cannot be trespassed, this is about as ignorant and stupid as it gets. Everyone involved in trying to get him trespassed should be held personally accountable, because they should know better, they should pay up personally, i do not care if they have to get a loan or their savings are touched or whatever the fuck they need to do to pay up, this is abuse of power and pure ignorance, they should know better, they signed a contract to uphold the law, they were not given that training, nor did they take it upon themselves to obtain that knowledge, this is a failing on their part. They should get knowledgeable or not sign that contract. Their training is laughably sub par. Their training should be counted in years, not weeks, they don’t even touch on the most basic and important laws. In my country we count police training in years, and that is in a country where the police has to do less, they have less functions, they have less crime, they have fewer weapons on the streets, that shows how shit their training is. This and the system in general being crap all over is why i consider the US to be nothing more than a reasonably well put together banana republic.

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Cop retaliates by asking veteran to step out of vehicle

Mt. juliet police department

 

  • The reason that police officer asked you to get out of your car was a power trip and it made his ego feel bigger.

 

  • This gentleman just exposed what the public is up against and certainly is NOT the treatment we pay for. The fact that this supervisor can NOT be honest just further highlights the problem with cops.

 

  • As soon as a cop says, this isn’t a courtroom. You’ve proved they have no case.
  • Really good way he went about doing this, instead of arguing with the supervisor he told him to talk to the cop who didn’t explain to him what he did wrong. This is a perfect interrogation question.
  • There was no reason for this man to get out of his car for a simple traffic stop. This supervisor is covering for this cop
  • The cop was angry because you used your rights to not talk and to record. So he had to do a power play and pull you out of the car. The cops can’t explain it any other way. Because we can….FTP
  • You decided to exercise your right and that’s suspicious to us
  • I LOVE how you turned their “officer safety” around on them!!
  • When an officer is vain enough to say I don’t care, they should automatically be liable to pay out of their pay for any lawsuits that come of the situation. They’re use to citizens paying for their mistakes
  • He was pulled out because this vet didn’t lick the cop’s boots. It’s their way of bullying and exerting power over citizens that don’t kiss their asses.
  • Like you said this is why there is a disconnect with the public and the police. Their ego over the law.
  • EXERCISING OUR RIGHTS IS NOT SUSPICIOUS!
  • Why is he so clearly annoyed by a member of the public exercising his 1st amendment right to free press while he interacts with the officer. Honestly it’s infuriating to see a Public Servant annoyed at a citizen using rights. How unprofessional. Clear conduct unbecoming of an officer. Very rude and unprofessional.
  • You’re a very smart individual the way you manipulated that. You wanted to know so you don’t do that again was a genius move.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
  • Absolutely it was harassment there was no reason to pull him out of the car. That cop knows it anyone who watched this video knows it.
  • We can all clearly see he was butt hurt and wanted to some how gain back power.
  • He asked him to get out of the vehicle because he was hoping the man would refuse so then he could tase him, drag him out, and arrest him. All because he didn’t like the man invoking his 5th amendment rights!
  • Nice job with maintaining your composure while our public servants did not! This is a good example of egotistical tyranny in our cities. They earn the respect the get.
  • This gentleman is lucid, coherent, and makes good points. The officers should be embarrassed by their behavior and their ‘copsplaining’…
  • Isn’t it interesting how they always say “I don’t mind you recording its already being recorded by myself, that officer over there and this officer” what they DON’T tell you, is that you will have to PAY for THEIR recordings and that they will redact anything that shows them acting unlawfully.
  • You can do what you want to but you are gonna stand over there if I tell you to stand over there” ahhh, the double think and speak of a tyrant
  • It’s weird how some cops freak the f*** out if you get out of your vehicle on your own during a traffic stop because of “officer safety” … yet when they want to really assert their authority, they will demand you get out of your vehicle. Cops always tell you they are recording via their body cams, yet they get very defensive and confrontational when you (we) record them, because they only want ONE recorded version of the incident. They can mute their body cams on the spot, lose (delete) the footage when it’s requested. Any cop worth his weight would never, ever mind being recorded during any interaction with a member of the public. Ego should never play a part in how a cop performs his duties.

 

  • Cop got butt hurt do he had to show you who’s in charge. By pulling you out of the vehicle. BTW, never let a public servants to speak to you with an attitude. Especially being a veteran. 12:08 cop “you’re going to stand over there if that’s what I tell you to do”. That should’ve set you off. Law enforcement has no authority over you!
  • So I guess exercising your constitutional rights in the presence of a law enforcement officer is now a form of Defiance , or their absolute favorite saying , Uncooperative….
  • We all know that the driver was pulled out of the vehicle in order for the officer to passively control what the driver’s camera was able to witness.
  • LT has zero authority to tell this free citizen where to freaking stand if he’s not being detained. Absolutely ridiculous behavior.
  • What’s amazing to me is the cop showed Zero respect for the Veteran and treated him like an enemy
  • You go boy all I got to say is BOOOOM . He turned it all around when he asked that supervisor what he did wrong to make the officer feel unsafe.
  • you’re gonna stand right there if that’s what I tell you to do” who do these people think they are? Bloody low lives
  • Just imagine if we could treat cops the way they treat us.
  • “If you wanna go to court on it” That’s the truth right there, they KNOW the justice system is broken and KNOW they have zero accountability. “We do what we want, don’t like it, take it to court where the system will chew you up” “You’ve already filed your complaint” lol, yeah sure he was going to file paperwork on that and start an investigation.
  • 15:22 This is where the “supervisor” misquotes and thus misunderstands the SCOTUS ruling. Police have a wide range of description in where they conduct a traffic stop based on “officer and detained individual safety”. The auditor points out the officer has abused his entrusted authority to use this description as a bully tactic which is not related to officer (or detained individual) safety. It’s a far too common practice which needs to be eliminated in order to regain public trust in law enforcement.
  • Pennsylvania v Mimms says an officer can ask u to step out for “officer safety”. Not just because a cop “feels like it” or “wants u to”.
  • And still none of those Sovereign Citizens with Badges and Guns has given a REASON for why a Docile Law Abiding Citizen made that Supposedly trained and qualified Officer “feel unsafe”, and yet STILL failed to ensure his safety with a pat down. Because it obviously WAS a tactic to instill fear and blind obedience to his Tyranny. It’s also extremely disappointing to see the other two completely ignore their own oaths to the Law and Constitution. Bully with a Badge, afraid the camera is going to document his distain for the Citizens who pay his salary.
  • 15:20 the Corporal said is doesnt matter what he calls it! Oh! I very much DOESNT matter because when that deprivation of rights lawsuit comes and the other cops qualified immunity is on the line the jury will have to decide what a OTHER reasonable officers would have done in that same situation!
  • Cause I wanted to” isn’t a lawful reason to require someone to exit their vehicle. That’s something that is lawful for officer safety but “cause I wanted to” isn’t an officer safety thing.
  • The only reason he was asked to get out was to intimidate him for saying he wasn’t going to answer questions, as his right. That was the only reason.
  • Mimms v PA says they can pull you from the car if they fear for their safety. That’s it. Not because they “feel like it”