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trigger coming well we’re gonna we’re
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having we have had a very substantial
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rally governments everywhere have pulled
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out all the stops printing spending
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buying doing everything they can to get
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markets up so yes we are having a rally
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it will probably continue for a while
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remember Michele there’s an election in
November you know that’s only six seven
months away from now so especially in
the u.s. they’re gonna do everything
they can to get reelected is that good
for my kids no is it good for you no
you’re good for me
no but that’s what’s going to happen but
I would suggest to you that the bear
market is not over yet we may even have
one more blow off rally if they do
something really dramatic if the suppose
I found a cure for the virus or
something like that we’ll have a blow
off rally blow off top and then the bear
market will resume because this bear
market is not over yet
okay it’s gonna be the worst in my
lifetime Michelle and Michelle oh I’m
older than you so it’s gonna be the
worst in your lifetime too
right now do you think it’s gonna be
comparable to 1929 do you think it’s
gonna be much worse well he could be you
know 1929 was caused because politicians
kept making mistakes one mistake after
another all over the world so you know
the rest of that story at the moment I
wouldn’t say this will be absurdly worse
than 2008 I doubt if it’ll be worse than
29 but it could be I mean we have a lot
of completely totally incompetent people
around the world in government’s we
always have but especially now the
Japanese it’s to me it’s in unfathomable
what the Japanese are doing and
Washington it’s unfathomable to me
what’s going on so they could really
bumble this very very badly mr. Trump
and his guys love trade wars they like
war so real war I mean so conceivably
this could get much worse and we could
bungle it and have a 1929-30 of 30s be
more like it
there it is kind of thing at the moment
I don’t expect it but watch these guys
they’re good at making mistakes these
guys are crazy Korea I mean you look at
some of the things that are German you
now Michelle even their German cities
now that have huge financial products
John when I was a kid there was nothing
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more righteous and virtuous than German
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spending even German cities now have
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problems so this is not just us this is
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a lot of places go into that for us
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please
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what you see globally you know that
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Illinois is bankrupt
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you know the Connecticut’s bank run I’m
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starting with the u.s. you know that
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many cities and states and companies in
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the US have got huge debts America’s the
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largest debtor nation in the world the
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Japanese might even be per capita more
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indebted than we are because they just
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the population is declining the
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population has been declining for ten
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years the debt has been skyrocketing for
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thirty years and they’re just down there
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printing and spending as fast as they
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can
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demands got very very serious problems
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of facing it then you turn to the other
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parts of Asia yes some of them are doing
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better less bad I should say Korea the
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38th parallel is going to open soon when
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that happens
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Korea the Korean Peninsula will be the
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single most exciting place in the world
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for a decade or two China’s doing its
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making mistakes but you know Michelle in
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China they still have interest rates
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interest rates are 2 3 percent which is
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somewhat low but it’s fairly normal the
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Chinese are spending money but they’re
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not spending everything in sight I mean
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I have to say that the Chinese have done
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a less bad job than just about anybody
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in the world I’m startled I’m impressed
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at how well they’re handling this so far
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Russia’s a disaster
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everybody hates Russia but I’ve as I
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said I’m investing in Russia now and
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have been for a while
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it’s hated so much Europe I don’t know
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if the euro will survive all of this I
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own very very few euros going forward I
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don’t want I don’t own much in Europe we
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discussed the u.s. a bit maybe Venezuela
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is a great place to invest we share you
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and I are citizens of the land of the
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free we’re not a we’re not free to
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invest in Venezuela we’re not free to
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invest in Korea we’re not North Korea
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we’re not free to invest in Iran or some
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places around the world that are great
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investments but because we’re citizens
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of the land of the free we cannot invest
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they’re very depressed extremely
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depressed has been for a while so
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agriculture continues to be a great
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place to look you know how to drive a
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tractor Michelle not at the moment
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not many tractors in San Diego are they
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do grow up in San Diego no Indiana
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yeah Indiana tractors in India I know my
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grandpa
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attractor I never learned yet in the
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next 20 years that’s what I want to talk
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to you about too we touched on this in
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our last interview the fact that the
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things that are going to be most
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valuable in bear markets are the thing
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the tangible items you know tractors
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agriculture things like that food so you
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know what I want to mention something to
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you and I want to get your thoughts on
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this there was a news article that came
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out that Vermont had said that they were
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stopping selling seeds I mean like fruit
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seeds food seeds because it wasn’t
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considered to be a necessary item at
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this time don’t you find that odd I keep
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telling you politicians keep making
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mistakes no I think most rational people
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would say what telling see he is
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certainly essential vital to the world
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economy in 2020 I told you these guys
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really mess things up Michelle we could
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have a horrible horrible head time ahead
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of us and this is one of the perfect
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examples of the kind of things that
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these people do you know Michelle the
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studies show that the people who are
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good at being politicians in America
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anyway are the people who were good at
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playground in elementary school in
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primary school they were great at
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playground put as far as knowing
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anything or learning anything but you
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heard seeds are not essential Michelle
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it was this the most absurd thing I’ve
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ever heard of especially right now when
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they’re talking about possibility of
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food shortages here and there you know
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it was a small article but I just it
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caught my eye and I just wanted to get
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your impression don’t give up with you
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know they’re gonna be more of certain
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things coming in the next year will be
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many more although not just in America
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you know all over the world
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it’d be very strange that you should be
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worried
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expound on that just a little bit for us
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please
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well you know in the in the let’s go
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back to 29 and since you brought it up
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before in 29 American Congress was
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considering raising tariffs and starting
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a trade war 2000 of the best of the most
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extraordinary economists in America took
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about ads and said do not do this it
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will be very bad for the American
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economy and for the world economy
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Congress did it anyway they had all the
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experts saying to them starting a trade
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war in 1929 is going to be bad for the
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world they did it well you know the rest
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of that story the market almost
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immediately collapse the senators were
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clear they were going to pass this law
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and then economy started collapsing
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banks and your banks in America started
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going bankrupt in one of the largest
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countries in Europe at the time the
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government made two failing banks merge
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so they failed I got a big failure when
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they thought they were gonna save the
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world about putting these guys together
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turning in a real you know one then it
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became one of the largest makes in
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Europe failing needless to say that was
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the 1930s mistake after mistake so don’t
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think we are any smarter than other
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politicians in history we’re gonna make
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plenty of mistakes too I don’t who knows
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Trump loves trade wars he thinks race
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wars are good he thinks he can win a
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trade war history shows he’s totally
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wrong but who cares he’s the president
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if he thinks it and once it it might
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well happen and in 20 years 40 years we
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look back and say oh that was a mistake
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but in Miami what are your thoughts on
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the president well mr. Trump did win the
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election I suspect he will win the next
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election as well who cares what I think
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he’s probably going to win the election
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he’s smart enough to do that he’s
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adapted enough to you know that’s what
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politicians are paid to do when
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elections he won big
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you’ll probably win the next big ones it
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was very difficult in American history
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to unseat a sitting president you know
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if you’re the president you need votes
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over here in this state you can spend
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money over here in this thing
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his opponent cannot do that and that’s
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why it’s hard to defeat a sitting
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president I if I were a betting man and
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I’m not a betting man but if I were I
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would bet mr. Trump will win you would
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do you think that mr. Biden would make a
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better president than mr. trunk I have
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learned that I should not invest on what
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I want of what I think I have to invest
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on facts and what is happening in the
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world I cannot in make an investment
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because I think mr. Biden would be
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better I have to make investments based
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on what will happen and I’ve just got to
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tell you that mr. Trump will win now mr.
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Trump can bundle it and mr. Biden might
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win then I would have to make
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investments based on that fact doesn’t
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matter whether I like him or dislike it
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doesn’t matter whether I like Trump or
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dislike it I have to based my
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investments and my life what is
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happening in the world I cannot let
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emotions get too involved in it
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with otherwise come I make enough
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mistakes did not tell you about my first
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wife I was foolish young hormones
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emotions are not rational judgment so
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what you’re saying is it’s very
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interesting as an investor’s perspective
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you see as as I’m not a professional
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investor I don’t really look at things
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that way but I can see that as a
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lifelong global investor you look at
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things from what you believe politically
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will be happening and therefore you can
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foresee certain ways that things may go
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very interesting I
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to try taking all the information spin
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it around
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come out with a decision on the other
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side and then act if I had my emotions
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get involved if I drink too many beers
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and make decisions you know it’s not
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gonna make enough mistakes is certainly
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not going to work so into play to say
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people say to me sometimes how can you
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invest in that country it’s a horrible
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country I say listen I don’t care if
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it’s a horrible country investors are
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supposed to make money and if you invest
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it might make it a better country you
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know you could be much better country if
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you go there and invest in help change
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things so please try to keep your
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emotions out of it that’s so interesting
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because people do say that they say how
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could so and so invest in such-and-such
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or there’s terrible things going on over
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there or you know don’t they understand
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the humanity of it but the perspective
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is if years your perspective is that if
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you invest in it you add money to the
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situation in and you have a little bit
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of influence that you may be able to
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make things better rather than just
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turning your back upon a situation
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because it wasn’t right we shall right
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now Venezuela is a catastrophe in every
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way the United States says Americans
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cannot invest there now I assure you the
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people in Venezuela would love for
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people to come there invest and he’ll
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make things better and if Americans went
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there and invested it he’ll make things
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better the Venezuelans would say while
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the Americans are great they helped us
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you know but right now we cannot go
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there and invest and help them and
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change things you know if you ask me
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we’ll be better off have we sent the New
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York Yankees there for an exhibition
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trip at baseball team if it’s a
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Venezuelans love baseball that would
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have much more influence in health than
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boycotting and having sanctions and
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saying nobody can go there and nobody
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invest what you know I don’t live in
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Washington that’s why I’m not a
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politician it’s just so enlightening
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it’s so enlightening because
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automatically you do think well that
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country’s doing terrible things
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so-and-so look at this corporation
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investing all current sorts of money
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into it but in fact you’ve just
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enlightened me into a completely
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opposite point of view well and first of
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all I know the US government has been is
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way those are the people etcetera
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etcetera have also learned Michelle in
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my life don’t miss into propaganda
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because it’s nearly all what governments
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always have a view and they always spout
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propaganda I have learned in my life
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not to listen to propaganda to try to
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ignore it because you go there yourself
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and see what’s really happening and you
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might come away with an entirely
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different view I have learned the show
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if you get your advice from governments
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on investing well you’re gonna go broke
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it’s mainly propaganda that comes out
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and it’s artificial it’s is this on not
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just American problem I mean everybody
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everybody shine for everybody Japan
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they’re all good at Russia oh my gosh
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some of the stuff that comes out of
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government mouth is astonishing so
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please try to learn I teach my children
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I you know I used to read newspapers
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from five different countries every day
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they all thought they were right they
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all said they were right but then you
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get many different views and you might
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figure out what’s really happening my
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kids you know they don’t read newspapers
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they get on the internet they know about
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international networks you know there’s
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one from England there’s one from
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Germany there’s one so the Middle East
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is more from Japan is one from China
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Russia us watch all these different
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points of view they all say they’re
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right how do you sure you CNN says it’s
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right every day Fox says it’s right
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every day but some of the Russians so
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did everybody
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you put them all together you might you
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might get right you’re more likely to
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get right if you listen to lots of
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points of view rather than just one so
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I’ve tried to learn about propaganda try
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to learn that it is nearly always wrong
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whoever the source it was a great saying
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it’s famous in World War one in America
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a famous American senator said it but it
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turns out it comes from a Greek
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philosopher and that is that the first
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casualty of war is truth look in other
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words when war starts I wouldn’t
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propaganda starts truth completely
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disappears so you must learn that you’re
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still too young you learn that go back
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and ask your parents in India it will
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tell you your grandparents in Indiana
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they know they know that people can
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mislead young people and you know I mean
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it just seems like it’s just all
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propaganda anymore it was gonna use
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another word now I want to turn real
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briefly to China
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real quick Jim it’s sort of a
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complicated topic because there are many
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people that are actually blaming China
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for the entire worldwide scenario that’s
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taking place right now we actually have
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US politicians that are calling for
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lawsuits against the country of China
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over this situation now do you think
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that china is in a stronger position
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right now or weaker after the
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coronavirus well everybody in China has
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lost a lot of money this is cause China
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a great deal they’ve had some deaths in
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some lockdowns they are come seem to be
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coming out of but if you could believe
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what you see on the internet and on the
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TV they seem to have done a much better
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job of handling
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that we have with us anyway so yes
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relatively they’re coming out stronger
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they were all weak everybody is hurt by
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this but China’s neighbors have done a
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much better job and by the way call it a
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china virus viruses you know in 2009
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nobody called the h1n1 virus we started
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in America and nobody called the
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American bombers closed airport’s closed
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countries say encountering this you
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cannot do that you know and I don’t know
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you may not know but in 1918 the world
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had this gigantic flu epidemic all over
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the world kill millions of millions with
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an L
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it started at an army base US army base
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in Kansas I wouldn’t call that the
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American flu even though it started in
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American military but you know what they
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called it the Spanish flu was very very
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good this is the Spanish flu stop it
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American military base in Kansas but
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American PR propaganda very very good
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job the world still calls it the Spanish
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flu so all this is absurd it’s the flu
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forever it started you know and so far
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John’s done a better job that we have of
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handling it if you can believe what
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seems to be on the internet and in the
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press Jim it is always such an honor to
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have you on this show I could continue
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talking you know I want it before I let
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you go I want to ask you something among
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global investors it’s no secret that you
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continue to carry the reputation of
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being one of the top in the world and
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it’s interesting to note that you have
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said that some of the most profitable
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times in your life took place in exactly
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this kind of a bear market situation so
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talk to us about your mindset your
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philosophies and your perspectives about
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when and how fortunes are most easily
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made well we were just talking about
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Asia and it’s remarkable you know agent
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civilization has been around a lot
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longer than we have those of us who
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speak English there they all have a word
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in China it’s way G in Japan it’s Kiki I
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forget what it is in Korea but what the
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word means what kiki japanese where kiki
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means is disaster and opportunity are
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the same thing and if you and if they
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been around a lot longer than we have
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but if you think about it it’s true
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whenever there’s a disaster it’s
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horrible for many people but there’s
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also opportunity I mean if your house
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burns down
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Michele it’s terrible but it’s an
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opportunity for somebody to rebuild your
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how to sort of by the Prophet whatever
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it is and the Asians know this at least
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they have words for if we have a word in
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English I don’t know it but that’s the
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way I hope I have learned to try to look
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it like when I see it this front pages
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on a newspaper of some kind of disaster
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I also try to you know sometimes give
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money or try to help but I also try to
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figure out okay someone is going to
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benefit from this let’s figure out who’s
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going to benefit where we can invest and
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by the way when you invest in places
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like that they’re very happy
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Haiti money and they know it you might
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be doing it so you’re an investor and
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want to make money but the people who
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receive your investments in a disaster
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area they’re very very happy that
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somebody has come in to invest because
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it’s a help to them as well
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but if you can remember Kiki Kiki which
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is the Japanese word and I’m sure that
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I’m pronouncing it harmless but it means
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disaster and opportunity are the same
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thing try to learn that go back into
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peak your grandparents in Indiana they
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did a good job remind him of Kiki Kiki
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that’s a wonder that’s actually a
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brilliant thing for everyone to remember
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that a disaster and an opportunity are
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the same thing I assure you you turn on
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the TV next time there’s some kind of
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horrible disaster somewhere whatever it
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is trying to think you’re gonna feel
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sorry for everybody yes and you might
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want to help and you should but you also
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then you should try to start saying well
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wait a minute okay who’s going to
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benefit from this where is the
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opportunity I told you if your house
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burns down it’s horrible but it’s good
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for somebody somebody loves the fact
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that your house burned down you don’t
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but it’s good for somebody the guy who’s
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gonna rebuild your house or whatever
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okay
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it was delight to see you again Michelle
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very very pleased I everything is okay
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and I guess everything is okay in San
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Diego everything is fine here in
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Singapore as far as I know so hope to
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see you again sometime oh absolutely
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sometime soon thank you so much for
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coming on this show today I’m wealth
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international okay what did you say
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I said watch wealth international oh you
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mean portfolio of global what did I say
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yes a portfolio well in that all the
50:02
same international we hope that your
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portfolio has wealth yes it doesn’t if
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you watch portfolio well – you will get
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in your portfolio thank you so much for
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coming on the show today mr. Jim Rogers
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author financial commentator and
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legendary international investor the
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industry experts panel I’m Michele
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holiday at portfolio wealth global
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thanks Jeff
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you
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you